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danlaurin
04-21-2013, 02:26 PM
Terry Jones ‏@sunterryjones 1m Eskimos organization holds mini camp in Florida last week keeping it secret from media. And away we go again?

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I wonder why they would do this?

Inquiring Mind
04-21-2013, 02:39 PM
So?

Section N
04-21-2013, 03:01 PM
So?

Exactly this.

danlaurin
04-21-2013, 03:01 PM
So?

It just seems kind of strange to me that they would do this.

Section N
04-21-2013, 03:05 PM
It just seems kind of strange to me that they would do this.

Not the first, and probably not the last.

Sectionq
04-21-2013, 03:07 PM
Terry Jones ‏@sunterryjones 1m Eskimos organization holds mini camp in Florida last week keeping it secret from media. And away we go again?

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I wonder why they would do this?

So why this is an issue? I thought the purpose of a pro team is to WIN games? If getting work extra work helps the ream win games, why the hell would anyone have a problem?

boydo
04-21-2013, 03:25 PM
Every team's been having mini camps, we just didn't make it into a media event because they figured the players actually wanted to get some work done instead of answering questions and posing for photos. It couldn't have been too big a secret if Terry found out...

Inquiring Mind
04-21-2013, 03:40 PM
I know the media tends to get pissy if anyone farts without notifying them... but even as an ardent fan, I could not car less about such things. If there are significant signings, trades or injuries I'm interested... other than that, until June 29th don't bother me

OK14
04-21-2013, 03:56 PM
Perhaps Ed got spooked by all the media circus that Eric (pardon my language) stirred up last year, and he wants the team's on and off-field business to be as far away from the public eye as possible this time around. Probably a good thing as I think that all of the negative press from last year (the Ray trade, Jyles vs. Joseph, Brody MacKnight, Stamps' early slump, etc) really damaged the team psyche.

PDO
04-21-2013, 04:10 PM
So top secret it's on their website....

http://www.esks.com/page/2013-open-tryouts

:lol:

I bet Terry was just upset he didn't get to go down to Florida for a few days to "work."

Section N
04-21-2013, 04:11 PM
So top secret it's on their website....

http://www.esks.com/page/2013-open-tryouts

:lol:

I bet Terry was just upset he didn't get to go down to Florida for a few days to "work."

Great find....

Sectionq
04-21-2013, 04:14 PM
So top secret it's on their website....

http://www.esks.com/page/2013-open-tryouts

:lol:

I bet Terry was just upset he didn't get to go down to Florida for a few days to "work."

Wow real "top secret" hey Dan?

Angelus
04-21-2013, 04:17 PM
Wow real "top secret" hey Dan?

It was Jones that said it...

GreatWhiteNorth
04-21-2013, 04:38 PM
So top secret it's on their website....

http://www.esks.com/page/2013-open-tryouts

:lol:

I bet Terry was just upset he didn't get to go down to Florida for a few days to "work."

I don't know what it was or wasn't, but it caught the Journal's O'Leary and the Sun's Modejonge off-guard seemingly (twitter feed reaction). If this was legitimately a mini-camp involving existing players and not an open tryout as the website lists, then I do think it would've been right to treat your local beat reporters with the respect of telling them in advance. These are guys you rely on for promotion year round and while I would've understood the team structuring the media access somewhat so as not to distract from other goals, I don't believe this is the right way to treat a partner or entity you rely on.

Whether this should get the media's nose out of joint or not isn't as much an issue as whether it did. One of the reasons that Jamieson was so well-respected amongst the media types was that he didn't play games. He recognized that they had a job to do and he made it easier for them to do it through organization and understanding. IF this was actually more than the open tryout that the website describes, then I, for one, am a little ticked off about it.

BC, Sask and Ham have had mini-camps in recent weeks with media coverage. No state secrets were revealed, but fans got a little insight and entertainment and those teams hit the papers a few more times in a week when they otherwise would not have. I get that some don't give a rat's associated about the offseason or things like this, but there are plenty of us that do.

OK14
04-21-2013, 04:50 PM
^And BC is now also dealing with worried fans after disclosing that Lulay was forced out of action with "bad back spasms".

Inquiring Mind
04-21-2013, 05:07 PM
So top secret it's on their website....

http://www.esks.com/page/2013-open-tryouts

:lol:

I bet Terry was just upset he didn't get to go down to Florida for a few days to "work."

You mean to say there are websites that have content other than porn?!

danlaurin
04-21-2013, 06:34 PM
Wow real "top secret" hey Dan?

I know it wasn't but I was only repeating what was said on twitter. If you prefer I will not but a lot of first announcements are done on twitter.

Hugoagogo
04-21-2013, 06:34 PM
I think Kavis was supposed to call everyone about mini-camp again this year :)

turftoe27
04-21-2013, 06:38 PM
I think Kavis was supposed to call everyone about mini-camp again this year :)

:rofl: Good memory.

OK14
04-21-2013, 07:06 PM
A few players were tweeting about it as well, especially Joseph.

ben_the_eskimo
04-21-2013, 08:08 PM
So why this is an issue? I thought the purpose of a pro team is to WIN games? If getting work extra work helps the ream win games, why the hell would anyone have a problem?

I think he was wondering why Jones seemed to think it was kept a secret, not why a try out was being held....

Rids
04-21-2013, 09:27 PM
The tryout and the mini camp are two separate entities. Last year's mini camp basically determined which QBs were coming to main camp and I believe even cleared out a couple RBs and receivers from the mix too. So it's pretty much exactly the type of event that a beat writer would normally be present for.


Each veteran Player who is invited to participate in the off-season workout shall be given 30 days written notice which shall set out the dates, times, place and practice schedule with respect to the off-season workout. The written notice shall state clearly that the off-season workout is voluntary and that the veteran Player is not required to attend if he has a
conflict or should he choose not to.

Apparently the Eskimos written notice also mentioned not telling media members about it.

First rule about mini camp.....

esks123
04-21-2013, 11:37 PM
Other local media members complained about not being informed about this camp involving existing Esks as well(this was not just a tryout camp as far as I can tell). As has been stated already, other teams have held these camps recently and had little video clips/articles or whatever from them. Kind of odd that the Esks shut the media out this time. Last year this camp was held in Edmonton in the field house IIRC and featured all of the Esks QBs and some receivers.

cmbuk
04-21-2013, 11:43 PM
also ties in with the recent releases.. especially on he guys who we thought they hadnt seen

Opus
04-22-2013, 01:12 AM
Anyone see the Sun or Journal sending a guy down to Florida to report on an Eskimos mini-camp while the Oilers are still playing?

Yeah, me neither.

adb
04-22-2013, 07:58 AM
Anyone see the Sun or Journal sending a guy down to Florida to report on an Eskimos mini-camp while the Oilers are still playing?

Yeah, me neither.

I agree that they probably wouldn't but then at least we could be criticizing the press for not covering it in this thread instead of the club for not publicizing it. I'm also not happy about it since as a fan I like to have as much information as possible...I mean some of us are on this site year round talking football so if we don't want to be bothered until training camp then what are we doing visiting this site everyday...for me personally one of the main reasons is to see if there's any info regarding the eskimos that I'm not aware of...I don't need to know anything that may put the club at a competitive disadvantage (like under the Red Menace's regime) but I personally want to know who's looking good during drills at the QB position, etc. I've been seeing clips on TSN from similar camps held by BC and Hamilton and I for one am disappointed that I won't be seeing similar reports from the Eskimos.

adb
04-22-2013, 08:00 AM
I don't know what it was or wasn't, but it caught the Journal's O'Leary and the Sun's Modejonge off-guard seemingly (twitter feed reaction). If this was legitimately a mini-camp involving existing players and not an open tryout as the website lists, then I do think it would've been right to treat your local beat reporters with the respect of telling them in advance. These are guys you rely on for promotion year round and while I would've understood the team structuring the media access somewhat so as not to distract from other goals, I don't believe this is the right way to treat a partner or entity you rely on.

Whether this should get the media's nose out of joint or not isn't as much an issue as whether it did. One of the reasons that Jamieson was so well-respected amongst the media types was that he didn't play games. He recognized that they had a job to do and he made it easier for them to do it through organization and understanding. IF this was actually more than the open tryout that the website describes, then I, for one, am a little ticked off about it.

BC, Sask and Ham have had mini-camps in recent weeks with media coverage. No state secrets were revealed, but fans got a little insight and entertainment and those teams hit the papers a few more times in a week when they otherwise would not have. I get that some don't give a rat's associated about the offseason or things like this, but there are plenty of us that do.

Well said.

popo
04-22-2013, 08:02 AM
also ties in with the recent releases.. especially on he guys who we thought they hadnt seen

Exactly. Often signings aren't made public, as they bring the prospect into their open tryouts to see more from them before deciding if they will attend main camp. In these cases I suspect they saw them at the mini camp, and decided to move in a different direction.

ben_the_eskimo
04-22-2013, 08:06 AM
It sounds like they had a regular open tryout and invited some prospects from the roster that were signed recently and hadn't participated in anything yet. I don't think that having held this camp means that they wont still hold a QB/Receiver mini camp in Edmonton as they have the last few years.

Rids
04-22-2013, 09:51 AM
It sounds like they had a regular open tryout and invited some prospects from the roster that were signed recently and hadn't participated in anything yet. I don't think that having held this camp means that they wont still hold a QB/Receiver mini camp in Edmonton as they have the last few years.

If they had veteran players in Florida then they won't be holding a QB mini camp in Edmonton. Only allowed 1 off season voluntary mini camp lasting no longer than 3 days with 2 days on the field. (first day is medicals) Camps also must be held between mid-Feb and the end of April.

boydo
04-22-2013, 10:06 AM
If they had veteran players in Florida then they won't be holding a QB mini camp in Edmonton. Only allowed 1 off season voluntary mini camp lasting no longer than 3 days with 2 days on the field. (first day is medicals) Camps also must be held between mid-Feb and the end of April.

They've been having mini-QB camps every week for a few months now. Only thing official about it is the guys use the locker room and training facility. This is something that I would like to see changed about the league. Granted, a lot of guys have full time jobs in the off-season, but to have more time to gel before the season starts wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe even another pre-season game? It's good in theory, but I don't know if it would actually make a difference or not.

adb
04-22-2013, 10:21 AM
They've been having mini-QB camps every week for a few months now. Only thing official about it is the guys use the locker room and training facility. This is something that I would like to see changed about the league. Granted, a lot of guys have full time jobs in the off-season, but to have more time to gel before the season starts wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe even another pre-season game? It's good in theory, but I don't know if it would actually make a difference or not.

I couldn't agree with you more regarding another pre season game...2 games is just not enough time to properly evaluate the new guys...they used to have 3 and they really should go back to that IMO...wonder what they'll do when Ottawa's back in and they have an odd number of teams to try and split their 2 preseason games between...someone will end up playing 3 pre season games won't they?

adb
04-22-2013, 10:55 AM
DP

Rids
04-22-2013, 11:15 AM
They've been having mini-QB camps every week for a few months now. Only thing official about it is the guys use the locker room and training facility. This is something that I would like to see changed about the league. Granted, a lot of guys have full time jobs in the off-season, but to have more time to gel before the season starts wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe even another pre-season game? It's good in theory, but I don't know if it would actually make a difference or not.

Players working out is not the same as a mini camp. You can introduce an entire offense in 3 days which gives you a big head start heading into a 2 week training camp in advance of the pre-season games.

I do think adding a 3rd pre-season game would be nice and you'd avoid some of the pitfalls that come with the current structure. Games that don't count are hard to sell to new fans/casual fans and even harder when teams don't bring their best players along. Teams that host during the first pre-season week are constantly faced with that.

Looner
04-22-2013, 12:41 PM
Anyone see the Sun or Journal sending a guy down to Florida to report on an Eskimos mini-camp while the Oilers are still going through the motions?

Yeah, me neither.

Fixed ;)

OK14
04-22-2013, 04:08 PM
^Good thing that there's at least two pro teams in Edmonton who actually care about doing everything they can to win (Esks and Oil Kings), rather than resting on the laurels of past accomplishments and doing nothing to change.

Inquiring Mind
04-22-2013, 04:11 PM
^Good thing that there's at least two pro teams in Edmonton who actually care about doing everything they can to win (Esks and Oil Kings), rather than resting on the laurels of past accomplishments and doing nothing to change.

The Oil Kings aren't pros, and you've obviously willfully ignored the last 8 years to include the Eskimos

OK14
04-22-2013, 05:33 PM
The Oil Kings are technically pro junior...

Yeah, I am guilty of ignoring the last eight years, but it looks good for this year.

danlaurin
04-22-2013, 07:32 PM
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/04/22/commentary-on-eskimos-mini-camp-what-we-missed/

It was a golden opportunity in the Sunshine State. And we’ve all been left in the dark.

A league source has confirmed that the Edmonton Eskimos held a mini-camp last week in Florida. Mike Reilly and Matt Nichols were there and so were other players, though none of that matters at this point. There isn’t a quote or a video clip to show from the camp, not even on the Eskimos’ website.

As you’ve read or will read about, the other seven teams in the Canadian Football League have opened or will open the doors on their mini-camps. The Hamilton Tiger-Cats and B.C. Lions held their camps last week; the Winnipeg Blue Bombers are on the field this week and the Toronto Argonauts and Montreal Alouettes are headed to Florida later this week to hold their respective camps. Calgary has a scaled down version of a camp on May 10 in Florida, with two quarterbacks and no veteran players.

These camps are short, but for any team and especially in Edmonton’s case this year, they are the beginnings of crucial story lines for the season that fans want to follow as soon as possible. This was our first chance to see how Mike Reilly and Matt Nichols stacked up against one another. Did Reilly’s play over the course of the camp back up the demeanour he’s shown since signing here in January? What about Nichols? Has he fully healed from his ankle dislocation in last year’s playoff loss? Is he on track? Did he out-play Reilly? How was the chemistry between both QBs and their receivers? Which receivers were there? Which defensive players were there?

As Murray McCormick reported when he was in Florida, the Riders had 68 players at their mini-camp. How many were at the Eskimos mini-camp? Can we assume that last week’s release of Ronnie Prude, Terriun Crump and Marcus Rivers stemmed from poor play in Florida, or outstanding play from some of their teammates?

We have no answers from the camp because even after the Eskimos ventured out on a solo mission, no one from the team will comment on it.

The CFL’s media policy includes activities that start with training camp and go forward into the regular season and playoffs, meaning that the Eskimos haven’t broken any rules. Still, they’re the only team in the league that didn’t offer availability to the media for their mini-camp, in a league that commissioner Mark Cohon stresses as fan-friendly and accessible. It’s worth noting that the league may be looking into an amendment on mini-camp accessibility requirements for the future.

When I tweeted the news about the mini-camp on Saturday night, one of the first responses I got back was from someone criticizing the team’s communications department. This isn’t an entire department’s fault. The day that Ed Hervey was hired as GM he said that he was going to do some things that the media didn’t like. I can tell you that this is one of them.

From a football standpoint, Hervey has had a great off-season. He’s gotten the players he’s wanted, he has two quarterbacks that ooze upside and he re-signed every free agent that he wanted. He did it all without going over the salary cap, which was a massive concern for the organization as the 2012 season wore on.

But moves like this? Trips across the continent to work your quarterbacks out without having to deal with quarterback controversy questions? I don’t see the point; especially when it all could have been done here. Unlike the Riders, the Eskimos have a facility. That field house at Commonwealth is only two-years old and don’t forget that the Eskimos contributed to the $96 million it cost to build it.

Instead, the media was shut out, the fans were shut out and thousands of dollars were spent for this community-owned team to have a private camp in Florida. I don’t know what your definition of fan-friendly is, but that doesn’t match mine.

OK14
04-22-2013, 09:14 PM
^Wow. I realize where the author is coming from, but I think that article might have been a tad harsh.


These camps are short, but for any team and especially in Edmonton’s case this year, they are the beginnings of crucial story lines for the season that fans want to follow as soon as possible. This was our first chance to see how Mike Reilly and Matt Nichols stacked up against one another. Did Reilly’s play over the course of the camp back up the demeanour he’s shown since signing here in January? What about Nichols? Has he fully healed from his ankle dislocation in last year’s playoff loss? Is he on track? Did he out-play Reilly? How was the chemistry between both QBs and their receivers? Which receivers were there? Which defensive players were there?

Fair question - but won't we able to find this out in Main Camp? At that point, we'll probably have a better, clearer idea of who'll be making the team anyway.


But moves like this? Trips across the continent to work your quarterbacks out without having to deal with quarterback controversy questions? I don’t see the point; especially when it all could have been done here.

1. It's Ed's team. He has the right to say where, when, and how his players practice. Who knows? Maybe he wanted this to be a chance for his players to gel and have some downtime out of the public eye before the real work begins. Besides - a trip to Florida sounds like a great idea with the weather we've been having here. :thup:

2. After the media circus which only added to the team misery/distractions last year, I have no problem with Ed wanting to carry out business behind closed doors this year. A quarterback controversy this early on is the last thing the team needs as we try to recover from the disaster that was 2012.


Instead, the media was shut out, the fans were shut out and thousands of dollars were spent for this community-owned team to have a private camp in Florida. I don’t know what your definition of fan-friendly is, but that doesn't match mine.

To me, this last sentence reminds me of the stereotypical bitter in-laws who are wondering why they weren't invited to go on the private family vacation. The media people (and the fans too, for that matter) are not entitled to know all about each and every thing that the Esks do, even if it is something as major as a mini-camp (oh, the irony in that sentence :rolleyes:). Sure, I wish I could have heard a bit more about it, but I don't feel robbed. Why should I? They have their own right to disclose as much or as little information about their dealings as they want to right now. They owe me nothing.

Besides, main training camp is coming up in a little over a month from now. There'll be plenty of time for QB controversies, storylines, and all the rest of it then. If they don't want to deal with it right now, so be it.

Opus
04-23-2013, 12:25 AM
Oh by all means use the Riders as an example...all they did was shut their fans out of practice all of last year.

cmbuk
04-23-2013, 07:06 AM
Seems like this being made to big a deal of...

I can't see the problem..

OK14
04-23-2013, 07:37 AM
Seems like this being made to big a deal of...

I can't see the problem..

Exactly.

GreatWhiteNorth
04-23-2013, 08:56 AM
Seems like this being made to big a deal of...

I can't see the problem..

You don't see a problem with alienating the media somewhat?

You don't see a problem with ticking off some fans, or shall we say potential paying customers?

Of course the media will cover the team, and the fans who care enough about the team to want to know about the mini-camp are likely to care enough to already support the team through ticket buying or whatever other ways their geography allows. That said, I want to hear why the Esks did things this way. I want to know why a publicly owned team feels that this was the best move and employed so much secrecy around this. I want to know why they didn't show their media partners the respect that other teams did and why they wouldn't use the story lines that could have come out of the camp to create some buzz and sell some tickets.

Childress
04-23-2013, 09:34 AM
1. It's Ed's team. He has the right to say where, when, and how his players practice.

I thought this site taught everyone that the team does not belong to the general manager to do whatever he wants to it, but it belongs to the fans. I think Eric Tillman learned that lesson. I think it applies to Ed and every other general manager as well. The good ones like Hugh Campbell knew and abided by that. I think every team can make this claim, but community owned teams can make an even stronger claim to belonging to the fans.

boydo
04-23-2013, 09:44 AM
You don't see a problem with alienating the media somewhat?

You don't see a problem with ticking off some fans, or shall we say potential paying customers?

Of course the media will cover the team, and the fans who care enough about the team to want to know about the mini-camp are likely to care enough to already support the team through ticket buying or whatever other ways their geography allows. That said, I want to hear why the Esks did things this way. I want to know why a publicly owned team feels that this was the best move and employed so much secrecy around this. I want to know why they didn't show their media partners the respect that other teams did and why they wouldn't use the story lines that could have come out of the camp to create some buzz and sell some tickets.

Only thing I could say about this is why bother giving the media heads up when they know that it wouldn't really matter what they did...because the Oilers would take priority anyways. I mean, for all the stuff that the Esks do during the off-season, there's barely any ink on them in the first place. Even when the hockey strike was on they were essentially ignored by both papers. Even during the season (Oilers off-season) we'll hear about how the Oilers golf games are going before we'll hear about the Esks winning a game...
Since beginning of February they've had about a dozen articles in the Sun with nothing since March 11th. There's been more articles about MMA in the last month.

How much of this is because of the Media Relations people not knowing anyone in the local news or what the problem is. I don't think it was a sinister plan to keep the media in the dark though. Nor do I think it was an intentional snub to the fans...I suspect it's more a lack of experience on the Esks part about what they should do and how press releases are done. Does this excuse it? Nope...but I don't think we need to sprain something jumping to conclusions either.

cmbuk
04-23-2013, 09:45 AM
You don't see a problem with alienating the media somewhat?

You don't see a problem with ticking off some fans, or shall we say potential paying customers?

Of course the media will cover the team, and the fans who care enough about the team to want to know about the mini-camp are likely to care enough to already support the team through ticket buying or whatever other ways their geography allows. That said, I want to hear why the Esks did things this way. I want to know why a publicly owned team feels that this was the best move and employed so much secrecy around this. I want to know why they didn't show their media partners the respect that other teams did and why they wouldn't use the story lines that could have come out of the camp to create some buzz and sell some tickets.

We will be asking for PDFs of playbooks next!!! Lol
I like u and so many here, crave Eskimo info... so ivv id love to hear from the coaches etc.. but i have seen the feedback got from the riders and the cats.. u really dont get a gauge for anything..

I don't know the ins and outs of how it went about.. Only heard reports back..

But the sun or the journal could have easily flown journalists to Florida or Georgia etc to cover the try outs.. But they didn't.. Why would they.
Guess the esks got a little quiet time.. Maybe they wanted that...

Sure it's pissed of the media types but until the other day we didn't know the camp took place..
So it wouldn't have affected any Eskimo fans as info out of try outs is few and far between

IMHO.. No harm

adb
04-23-2013, 10:05 AM
Only thing I could say about this is why bother giving the media heads up when they know that it wouldn't really matter what they did...because the Oilers would take priority anyways. I mean, for all the stuff that the Esks do during the off-season, there's barely any ink on them in the first place. Even when the hockey strike was on they were essentially ignored by both papers. Even during the season (Oilers off-season) we'll hear about how the Oilers golf games are going before we'll hear about the Esks winning a game...
Since beginning of February they've had about a dozen articles in the Sun with nothing since March 11th. There's been more articles about MMA in the last month.

How much of this is because of the Media Relations people not knowing anyone in the local news or what the problem is. I don't think it was a sinister plan to keep the media in the dark though. Nor do I think it was an intentional snub to the fans...I suspect it's more a lack of experience on the Esks part about what they should do and how press releases are done. Does this excuse it? Nope...but I don't think we need to sprain something jumping to conclusions either.

That's fine and hopefully with more experience they'll avoid similar missteps in the future. As a fan who wants as much info as possible I'm still not happy about it and want the Esks to know about it so similar missteps don't happen in the future. As far as the Esks being the low man on the totem pole that's fair but these type of missteps aren't going to help with that either. The more buzz teams can create during the off season the better as far as I'm concerned and who knows it may eventually lead to more coverage...they could take a page out of Wild Bill Hunter's book who used to call a press conference to announce a future press conference...the more interest you can create the better...Ten years ago nobody cared about the CFL E camp or even the draft but over time more and more buzz has been created leading to more media coverage. Is it going to happen overnight...no...it's a slow and somewhat painful process but it is one that I think each of the CFL member clubs need to nurture and IMO the Esks dropped the ball on this one and should be chastised for it so that they don't repeat it...at least that's my 2 cents.

cmbuk
04-23-2013, 10:14 AM
If the esks held a mini camp at CW next year.. Think most fans would like to see it..

I was surprised why we didn't do it.. Obv the answer was we did

Inquiring Mind
04-23-2013, 12:25 PM
You don't see a problem with alienating the media somewhat?

You don't see a problem with ticking off some fans, or shall we say potential paying customers?

Of course the media will cover the team, and the fans who care enough about the team to want to know about the mini-camp are likely to care enough to already support the team through ticket buying or whatever other ways their geography allows. That said, I want to hear why the Esks did things this way. I want to know why a publicly owned team feels that this was the best move and employed so much secrecy around this. I want to know why they didn't show their media partners the respect that other teams did and why they wouldn't use the story lines that could have come out of the camp to create some buzz and sell some tickets.

You must be limber, with all that stretching...

This all occurs to me to be much ado about nothing. Some in the media got their panties in a twist (which doesn't take much if you've dealt with media types)... had they known, maybe they would have sent someone down to cover it... more likely they would have paid a local photographer to take some pictures and perhaps got a freelancer to write something so they could run it back here. I think it's a stretch to suggest any stories would cause a stampede on the ticket office (or sold any tickets at all).

I really don't know what being "community owned" has to do with anything... are you saying only for-profit teams can have secrets?

GungaDin
04-23-2013, 01:06 PM
Meh.

Opus
04-23-2013, 01:15 PM
You must be limber, with all that stretching...

This all occurs to me to be much ado about nothing. Some in the media got their panties in a twist (which doesn't take much if you've dealt with media types)... had they known, maybe they would have sent someone down to cover it... more likely they would have paid a local photographer to take some pictures and perhaps got a freelancer to write something so they could run it back here. I think it's a stretch to suggest any stories would cause a stampede on the ticket office (or sold any tickets at all).

I really don't know what being "community owned" has to do with anything... are you saying only for-profit teams can have secrets?

Pretty much bang on with my assessment as well.

ben_the_eskimo
04-23-2013, 04:53 PM
The only thing that worries me about all this is the fact that it appears to be a strain on the clubs relationship with the media, which - as others have pointed out - is something the club can probably not afford.

OK14
04-23-2013, 05:56 PM
The only thing that worries me about all this is the fact that it appears to be a strain on the clubs relationship with the media, which - as others have pointed out - is something the club can probably not afford.

^Good point, although certain members of the sports media in this town are people who are difficult to deal with in the first place. See "Anyone who works at CHED" for more info.

Now as for that epic rant by O'Leary, why must the Edmonton Journal beat up on the Eskimos while praising the Oilers for doing next to nothing? As others have said, the love for hockey in this town is so delusional. We're like the Rider fans of the NHL.

Inquiring Mind
04-23-2013, 06:14 PM
Meh... nothings broke that buying some ad space won't fix in a hurry (and that my friends, is what really greases the wheels of media coverage)

pizmo
04-23-2013, 07:18 PM
I've read all the posts in this thread and a similar one at riderfans. My opinion of all this is BFD. Thank you.

Esks1975
04-23-2013, 08:57 PM
I couldn't agree with you more regarding another pre season game...2 games is just not enough time to properly evaluate the new guys...they used to have 3 and they really should go back to that IMO...wonder what they'll do when Ottawa's back in and they have an odd number of teams to try and split their 2 preseason games between...someone will end up playing 3 pre season games won't they?

I don't recall there being three pre-season games. I do remember there being four pre-season games. I thought they switched to two when they moved the regular season from 16 to 18 games.

56Parkies
04-23-2013, 09:10 PM
I don't recall there being three pre-season games. I do remember there being four pre-season games. I thought they switched to two when they moved the regular season from 16 to 18 games.

They did. From 1967 through 1985 we had four pre-season games per season, and switched to 2 in 1986. Prior to that we did do 3 pre-season games for much of the 1960s.

esks123
04-23-2013, 09:13 PM
Ayone else getting impatient and wanting to know how Nichols and Reilly looked at this camp, apart from "they looked well"?


"Q: How did the quarterbacks look?

Coach Reed: All of the quarterbacks performed well. It was a good opportunity for them to get out and get reps on their arms leading into training camp."

http://www.esks.com/article/q-and-a-with-coach-reed-evaluation-camp

Inquiring Mind
04-23-2013, 09:39 PM
Ayone else getting impatient and wanting to know how Nichols and Reilly looked at this camp, apart from "they looked well"?


"Q: How did the quarterbacks look?

Coach Reed: All of the quarterbacks performed well. It was a good opportunity for them to get out and get reps on their arms leading into training camp."

http://www.esks.com/article/q-and-a-with-coach-reed-evaluation-camp

I'm more interested in how they play... but to each their own, FWIW there are any number of sites that I'm sure you could find pictures of guys running around in tight pants though...

quake
04-23-2013, 10:09 PM
You don't see a problem with alienating the media somewhat?

You don't see a problem with ticking off some fans, or shall we say potential paying customers?

Of course the media will cover the team, and the fans who care enough about the team to want to know about the mini-camp are likely to care enough to already support the team through ticket buying or whatever other ways their geography allows. That said, I want to hear why the Esks did things this way. I want to know why a publicly owned team feels that this was the best move and employed so much secrecy around this. I want to know why they didn't show their media partners the respect that other teams did and why they wouldn't use the story lines that could have come out of the camp to create some buzz and sell some tickets.


I can't remember any post of yours that I can honestly say that I do not agree. The EEFC has made far worse decisions in the last decade that would piss of paying customers, than not spreading the word about a mini camp.

How about I remind you of one and I will only need one word.

Patooey.

esks123
04-23-2013, 11:40 PM
I'm more interested in how they play... but to each their own, FWIW there are any number of sites that I'm sure you could find pictures of guys running around in tight pants though...

:rolleyes::lol:

Esks4ever
04-24-2013, 08:34 AM
You must be limber, with all that stretching...

This all occurs to me to be much ado about nothing. Some in the media got their panties in a twist (which doesn't take much if you've dealt with media types)... had they known, maybe they would have sent someone down to cover it... more likely they would have paid a local photographer to take some pictures and perhaps got a freelancer to write something so they could run it back here. I think it's a stretch to suggest any stories would cause a stampede on the ticket office (or sold any tickets at all).

I really don't know what being "community owned" has to do with anything... are you saying only for-profit teams can have secrets?


I agree... Who really cares about them having secret camps? Do I? Do you? Doesn't anyone outside of the Media really care?

pizmo
04-24-2013, 09:26 AM
I'm more interested in how they play... but to each their own, FWIW there are any number of sites that I'm sure you could find pictures of guys running around in tight pants though...

Boydo is going to start a thread about this for you. It's not going to be stickied................................I hope.

boydo
04-24-2013, 09:50 AM
Boydo is going to start a thread about this for you. It's not going to be stickied................................I hope.

I might start a thread about chicks wearing football pants...

GreatWhiteNorth
04-24-2013, 10:34 AM
I can't remember any post of yours that I can honestly say that I do not agree. The EEFC has made far worse decisions in the last decade that would piss of paying customers, than not spreading the word about a mini camp.

How about I remind you of one and I will only need one word.

Patooey.

By no means is this the worst infraction that the EEFC has made in my mind, but with such a sense of renewal being felt with the organization, I actually hoped that there would be some elements from the last few years that wouldn't be thrown out in the purge. I liked the increased access that occurred through the Hail Mary tv show and the pre-game and post-game locker room access. To me, this seems like an over-reaction from an organization distancing itself from the practices of the former GM that had a history of reading (and posting) on message boards, disclosing negotiation lists, leaking/planting stories in the media, etc. At this point, I simply want to hear what the reasons and rationale were for taking a different approach to the mini-camp thing than all of the other teams. Don't want the spotlight on Matt's recovery? Want to have Reilly given an opportunity to establish some leadership without his movements being scrutinized? Understand that you've got customers out there that want to know... and judging by this thread, plenty that don't particularly care as well, and that's fine for them.

I'm not talking boycott or anything, but as was stated by adb, if I see something that I perceive as a mis-step, I'm going to point it out in the hopes that it wouldn't happen again. I'm clearly in the minority in feeling this way, but I do think that this caused some unnecessary waves, and would hope to hear some explanation as to the thought process behind it.

Opus
04-24-2013, 10:43 AM
By no means is this the worst infraction that the EEFC has made in my mind, but with such a sense of renewal being felt with the organization, I actually hoped that there would be some elements from the last few years that wouldn't be thrown out in the purge. I liked the increased access that occurred through the Hail Mary tv show and the pre-game and post-game locker room access. To me, this seems like an over-reaction from an organization distancing itself from the practices of the former GM that had a history of reading (and posting) on message boards, disclosing negotiation lists, leaking/planting stories in the media, etc. At this point, I simply want to hear what the reasons and rationale were for taking a different approach to the mini-camp thing than all of the other teams. Don't want the spotlight on Matt's recovery? Want to have Reilly given an opportunity to establish some leadership without his movements being scrutinized? Understand that you've got customers out there that want to know... and judging by this thread, plenty that don't particularly care as well, and that's fine for them.

I'm not talking boycott or anything, but as was stated by adb, if I see something that I perceive as a mis-step, I'm going to point it out in the hopes that it wouldn't happen again. I'm clearly in the minority in feeling this way, but I do think that this caused some unnecessary waves, and would hope to hear some explanation as to the thought process behind it.

All the more reason to come out to main camp. Which outside of fan-day has never really drawn throngs of fans out.

OK14
04-24-2013, 10:46 AM
Exactly. Just a matter of patience.

Diesel
04-24-2013, 11:06 AM
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/04/22/commentary-on-eskimos-mini-camp-what-we-missed/

It was a golden opportunity in the Sunshine State. And weíve all been left in the dark.

A league source has confirmed that the Edmonton Eskimos held a mini-camp last week in Florida. Mike Reilly and Matt Nichols were there and so were other players, though none of that matters at this point. There isnít a quote or a video clip to show from the camp, not even on the Eskimosí website.

As youíve read or will read about, the other seven teams in the Canadian Football League have opened or will open the doors on their mini-camps. The Hamilton Tiger-Cats and B.C. Lions held their camps last week; the Winnipeg Blue Bombers are on the field this week and the Toronto Argonauts and Montreal Alouettes are headed to Florida later this week to hold their respective camps. Calgary has a scaled down version of a camp on May 10 in Florida, with two quarterbacks and no veteran players.

These camps are short, but for any team and especially in Edmontonís case this year, they are the beginnings of crucial story lines for the season that fans want to follow as soon as possible. This was our first chance to see how Mike Reilly and Matt Nichols stacked up against one another. Did Reillyís play over the course of the camp back up the demeanour heís shown since signing here in January? What about Nichols? Has he fully healed from his ankle dislocation in last yearís playoff loss? Is he on track? Did he out-play Reilly? How was the chemistry between both QBs and their receivers? Which receivers were there? Which defensive players were there?

As Murray McCormick reported when he was in Florida, the Riders had 68 players at their mini-camp. How many were at the Eskimos mini-camp? Can we assume that last weekís release of Ronnie Prude, Terriun Crump and Marcus Rivers stemmed from poor play in Florida, or outstanding play from some of their teammates?

We have no answers from the camp because even after the Eskimos ventured out on a solo mission, no one from the team will comment on it.

The CFLís media policy includes activities that start with training camp and go forward into the regular season and playoffs, meaning that the Eskimos havenít broken any rules. Still, theyíre the only team in the league that didnít offer availability to the media for their mini-camp, in a league that commissioner Mark Cohon stresses as fan-friendly and accessible. Itís worth noting that the league may be looking into an amendment on mini-camp accessibility requirements for the future.

When I tweeted the news about the mini-camp on Saturday night, one of the first responses I got back was from someone criticizing the teamís communications department. This isnít an entire departmentís fault. The day that Ed Hervey was hired as GM he said that he was going to do some things that the media didnít like. I can tell you that this is one of them.

From a football standpoint, Hervey has had a great off-season. Heís gotten the players heís wanted, he has two quarterbacks that ooze upside and he re-signed every free agent that he wanted. He did it all without going over the salary cap, which was a massive concern for the organization as the 2012 season wore on.

But moves like this? Trips across the continent to work your quarterbacks out without having to deal with quarterback controversy questions? I donít see the point; especially when it all could have been done here. Unlike the Riders, the Eskimos have a facility. That field house at Commonwealth is only two-years old and donít forget that the Eskimos contributed to the $96 million it cost to build it.

Instead, the media was shut out, the fans were shut out and thousands of dollars were spent for this community-owned team to have a private camp in Florida. I donít know what your definition of fan-friendly is, but that doesnít match mine.

The collective media in this town routinely treat the Esks like they're lepers the instant an Oiler develops a hangnail, eyt they whine about this? Please....

Diesel
04-24-2013, 11:08 AM
I thought this site taught everyone that the team does not belong to the general manager to do whatever he wants to it, but it belongs to the fans. I think Eric Tillman learned that lesson. I think it applies to Ed and every other general manager as well. The good ones like Hugh Campbell knew and abided by that. I think every team can make this claim, but community owned teams can make an even stronger claim to belonging to the fans.

LOL, Hugh ran things very much out of the public eye....

Shelby
04-24-2013, 11:31 AM
I might start a thread about chicks wearing football pants...

Or not wearing football pants.

Esks4ever
04-24-2013, 12:13 PM
I bet the players where happy with no media. They can actually get to work and not have to be bothered by questions asking about the Ankle or the competition between the two QBs.

Esks4ever
04-24-2013, 12:15 PM
The collective media in this town routinely treat the Esks like they're lepers the instant an Oiler develops a hangnail, eyt they whine about this? Please....

exactly.. Oh no the OIlers are done and sucking what will we do! Oh ya the Eskimos! Phew... a few months later... Oilers and draft Eskimos who?

Opus
04-24-2013, 12:58 PM
The collective media in this town routinely treat the Esks like they're lepers the instant an Oiler develops a hangnail, eyt they whine about this? Please....

Truth.

OK14
04-24-2013, 02:30 PM
Hopefully that'll change this year because of all the wins that are gonna come our way!

Yeah, I hope...

cmbuk
04-24-2013, 02:34 PM
Hopefully that'll change this year because of all the wins that are gonna come our way!

Yeah, I hope...

gotta stay positive buddy

OK14
04-24-2013, 02:37 PM
In all seriousness, I think this'll be a very good year. If we were strong enough to win 7 games with the J&J show, we should probably get into double-digit wins this year now that we've got two very promising QB's who can throw on target.

cmbuk
04-24-2013, 03:33 PM
In all seriousness, I think this'll be a very good year. If we were strong enough to win 7 games with the J&J show, we should probably get into double-digit wins this year now that we've got two very promising QB's who can throw on target.

12 wins

esks123
04-24-2013, 07:23 PM
Uhhhh.... so did anyone catch the part where Tim Tebow showed up to the camp!!??? It doesn't really mention whether he actually participated or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Maybe a reason for some of the secrecy surrounding the camp (despite what Kavis says later in the article).

"So, the Eskimos took a look at as many as three-dozen players. While none of them would be considered special guests, there was a celebrity sighting or two when NFLers such as Javon Walker and Tim Tebow dropped in to check out the camp."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/04/24/edmonton-eskimos-head-coach-kavis-reed-talks-about-super-secret-florida-evaluation-camp

GreatWhiteNorth
04-24-2013, 11:42 PM
All the more reason to come out to main camp. Which outside of fan-day has never really drawn throngs of fans out.

You know I will be.

Opus
04-24-2013, 11:59 PM
You know I will be.

Absolutely...and for the first time in a few years, I can come back with a clean conscience as well.

However, look at what the fans have got for media exposure out of these Florida camps...

The Riders sent McCormick down and got the best coverage.

Great...swell...they also don't have reporters covering a home town NHL club in the dying stages of the hockey season. They still only sent one guy.

What great coverage did the AL's get? A fluff piece on their new head coach.
Nothing really about the camp at all. In all likelihood it was written in Montreal.

Hamilton and BC respectively held theirs at home at McMaster and Surrey...they obviously had the best meat of info come their way.

We weren't going to get that regardless of how much these reporters want to make of it...and they likely know it as well.

cmbuk
04-25-2013, 02:27 AM
Absolutely...and for the first time in a few years, I can come back with a clean conscience as well.

However, look at what the fans have got for media exposure out of these Florida camps...

The Riders sent McCormick down and got the best coverage.

Great...swell...they also don't have reporters covering a home town NHL club in the dying stages of the hockey season. They still only sent one guy.

What great coverage did the AL's get? A fluff piece on their new head coach.
Nothing really about the camp at all. In all likelihood it was written in Montreal.

Hamilton and BC respectively held theirs at home at McMaster and Surrey...they obviously had the best meat of info come their way.

We weren't going to get that regardless of how much these reporters want to make of it...and they likely know it as well.

Agree, well said mate

cmbuk
04-25-2013, 02:30 AM
You know I will be.

Prob THE single best thing about esksfans is the training camp reports from our members..

Gwn always posts great feedback and I'm looking forward to the return of deiz's tc reports this year!!!

Love tc.. Great time of year!!

Esks1949
04-25-2013, 03:12 AM
12 wins

And first place in the West?? *fingers crossed*

Esks1949
04-25-2013, 03:23 AM
http://www.esks.com/video/index/id/83683

I didn't really appreciate how they were confrontational towards Kavis in this press conference. This is my gut reaction after watching this for the first time.

Lowe throws hundreds of thousands of fans under the bus while his boss is pleading poverty and begging Edmontonians for HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars. Lowe doesn't get the uproar over the media his comments deserve and is still with the Oilers and the Esks are getting bad press over this??? Whatever.

Maybe the reason the Esks didn't want the press there is because they realize the whole "2 QB's competing for the starting job" storyline will get intense enough over the season and didn't really want to fan the flames this early. I can see a lot of landmines and ways it can go bad if you have 2 young guys who both want to fiercely be the starting QB. You hope they can be mature and not resort to moping or mind games against each other that can disrupt the team, but you can't guarantee that won't happen. Maybe better for them to work together out of the public eye for a while yet.

Big MEH from me over this "story".

OK14
04-25-2013, 06:59 AM
Hamilton and BC respectively held theirs at home at McMaster and Surrey...they obviously had the best meat of info come their way.


It was certainly meaty info, but I don't know if it was the "best" info. What I mean by that is that the big story out of Lions' TC this year is that Lulay missed a bunch of time with "bad back spasms". The fans are now worried about what'll happen if he goes down and there's a ton of anxiety heading into the year. Perhaps the Eskimos are trying to keep that kind of fanbase worry from happening by keeping silent about things like MN's ankle.

GreatWhiteNorth
04-25-2013, 08:06 AM
Absolutely...and for the first time in a few years, I can come back with a clean conscience as well.

However, look at what the fans have got for media exposure out of these Florida camps...

The Riders sent McCormick down and got the best coverage.

Great...swell...they also don't have reporters covering a home town NHL club in the dying stages of the hockey season. They still only sent one guy.

What great coverage did the AL's get? A fluff piece on their new head coach.
Nothing really about the camp at all. In all likelihood it was written in Montreal.

Hamilton and BC respectively held theirs at home at McMaster and Surrey...they obviously had the best meat of info come their way.

We weren't going to get that regardless of how much these reporters want to make of it...and they likely know it as well.

Well can agree on results, what I still want to know was intent. If there is truly no such thing as bad press, then the Esks may have got more attention over this than they would've if they had been open about it. Is this a one-off for a reason or the beginning of a new regime's approach to media and the public?

popo
04-25-2013, 10:05 AM
To be fair to the Esks I think they do a good job in actual training camp of being accessible and fan friendly. Website is updated nightly with video interviews, training camp notes, and depth charts. Plus open to the public to attend.

Inquiring Mind
05-08-2013, 11:45 PM
There are hundreds that will come out to when a fan day is promoted... and dozens that will go to watch practices... and hell, there may even be a handful that would travel to watch them practice.

Me... I've seen enough pre-season games to know I can't even be bothered to watch those on tv, much less in person, and I'm willing to bet I'm a lot closer to the "average" fan in that regard than the latter two groups mentioned above. So not advertising this is a none-issue... especially if one is hardcore enough to be in those latter two groups it'll take a helluva lot more than that to scare you off the team.

adb
05-09-2013, 10:26 AM
There are hundreds that will come out to when a fan day is promoted... and dozens that will go to watch practices... and hell, there may even be a handful that would travel to watch them practice.

Me... I've seen enough pre-season games to know I can't even be bothered to watch those on tv, much less in person, and I'm willing to bet I'm a lot closer to the "average" fan in that regard than the latter two groups mentioned above. So not advertising this is a none-issue... especially if one is hardcore enough to be in those latter two groups it'll take a helluva lot more than that to scare you off the team.

Hey I get it that currently most fans are probably like that and agree with you that most of them don't care and that even though it may somewhat piss off some (or apparently very few) hardcore fans that it won't hurt the Esks because no one will be pissed off about it enough to boycott games or buy one less hotdog or anything like that but that's not the point as far as I'm concerned. For me it's more a question of where the Eskimos mindset should be at as far as trying to promote their football team which as long as it doesn't hurt them competitively speaking should always be top of mind with any employee of the EEFC which includes Ed Hervey, Kavis Reed...everybody. They had a chance to make some news by allowing the press the opportunity to cover a camp in Florida and they passed on it while other clubs did not and we were told that it was because it was an eval camp and not a mini camp...makes no difference to me it was still an opportunity to promote their club and as long as it didn't hurt them competively they should have taken that opportunity. Now many rightly state that our local reporters wouldn't have gone anyway but even in that scenario that would have given hardcore fans the chance to write emails or call into radio stations and complain about it. Would it have changed anything probably not today but if you don't start somewhere things will never change.

As a hardcore Eskimos fan I want the Esks to draw just as much attention as the Oilers do in this town. Will it happen maybe not but that should be the club's mindset. Will they get 40 000 fans per game like LR stated was his goal in his report recently...probably not even if we win the GC but that should be his goal and he should be doing everything he can to achieve it. I read some broad references to the Eskimos floating the idea of setting up some events for fans to show up and get together (I'm assuming probably at the field house) to watch Eskimo away games...will it work...sounds somewhat unlikely to me but I applaud those kind of moves just like I criticize the fact that the Esks brass decided to hold a secret eval camp because their goal should be to be every bit as relevant in this town as the Oilers who have thousands of fans show up at rookie camps in community arenas or pickup games at Hawrelak park...will it happen...maybe...maybe not...but it sure won't happen unless the Esks do everything in their power to try and make it happen...and who knows with the way the NHL is turning themselves into a rich fan's game it may be a more realistic goal than many out there think...there are thousands of fans who can't afford to go to NHL games and are starting to see hockey players as selfish millionaires and alternatively may wind up finding the CFL to be an entertaining and affordable game to watch in person while admiring many CFL players who are clearly playing for the love of the game...am I nitpicking...making a mountain out of a molehill..sure I am but I'm a hardcore Eskimos fan so that's just what I do...I'll just keep on being the somewhat obnoxious minority...I'll get off my soapbox now.

boydo
05-09-2013, 10:53 AM
I can understand where you're coming from but in the grand scheme of things it wasn't a hidden camp or a top secret meeting...it was on the website that it was happening there. I suspect the media made it a big deal because they were not given a golden ticket and flown down to write a fluff piece. (which on one hand I agree with - screw em for ignoring us for so long but also disagree with because we need to get some fluff to get the meaty stuff later) It was more likely an oversight and an event that was lost in the transition of a lot of positions that changed in the Igloo around the last few months. I'm not making excuses just trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

Diesel
05-09-2013, 11:09 AM
I think we're seeing a pattern here in terms of the person Ketchup hired to replace DJ...

adb
05-09-2013, 11:31 AM
I think we're seeing a pattern here in terms of the person Ketchup hired to replace DJ...

Boy do I miss Dave Jamieson...suppose there's no way the Esks could ever lure him back from the Rush...wonder if there is even the will to try or if DJ would even be remotely interested...the Red Menace's swath of destruction was not limited to the football field that's for sure.

Section N
05-09-2013, 11:37 AM
Boy do I miss Dave Jamieson...suppose there's no way the Esks could ever lure him back from the Rush...wonder if there is even the will to try or if DJ would even be remotely interested...the Red Menace's swath of destruction was not limited to the football field that's for sure.

I don't think DJ would have any interest in returning, unless its to replace ketchup.

OK14
05-09-2013, 11:55 AM
there are thousands of fans who can't afford to go to NHL games and are starting to see hockey players as selfish millionaires and alternatively may wind up finding the CFL to be an entertaining and affordable game to watch in person while admiring many CFL players who are clearly playing for the love of the game...am I nitpicking...making a mountain out of a molehill..sure I am but I'm a hardcore Eskimos fan so that's just what I do...I'll just keep on being the somewhat obnoxious minority...I'll get off my soapbox now.

You're not in the minority; I'm starting to see myself as more of an Eskies fan than an Oilers fan.

The Oilers do a few select community projects for specialized groups, such as Oilers Hockey School, Inner City High, the Stollery, and Habitat for Humanity; and when they do, they've usually got a flurry of cameras and PR to hype up the moment. The Eskimos are involved in many community projects that offer something for everyone, such as field trips to team practices (did that one year as a kid and met Hervey), and the $10 Ticket Drive where you can go to Save On and actually buy your tickets from a player or coach. Only a few of those events ever get media coverage.

A single Oilers regular season game against the Columbus Blue Jackets in the nosebleeds at Rexall is often priced in the $100+ range. When the Eskimos hosted the WSF against Calgary in 2011, I paid $20 and got a lower bowl front row seat in the endzone. Best sporting investment I've ever made...especially because all the TD's and most of the crucial plays in that game happened right in front of me. :thup:

Nearly every Oiler/NHL player makes an obscenely excessive amount of money. There are a handful of star players in the CFL who make upwards of $100,000. The rest of them actually have to work an offseason job (!) in order to pay the bills (like Nate Coehoorn, who works with his brother in the concrete business after the season is done).

The Oilers old arena is massively outdated and only used by the people who can afford the exorbitant prices to watch the events there. The Oilers' new arena is...don't even get me started on that one. Commonwealth Stadium, even if it's old, is still going strong; it also has the public rec centre so that everyone can get some use out of it.

The Oilers are a mess both on and off the ice, and there seems to be no urgency to make it better. The Eskimos, despite the painful "legacy" of Tillman, are at least trying to take steps forward and put together a winning product for 2013.

I hope that sports fans in the City of Edmonton realize what's going on.

GreatWhiteNorth
05-09-2013, 12:25 PM
You're not in the minority; I'm starting to see myself as more of an Eskies fan than an Oilers fan.

He absolutely is.

We all are.

Of more than a million people in the market catchment, and even a generous estimate of 125,000 people that attend two or more games a year, there are likely well under 300 active posters on this site that invest their time reading, writing and analyzing Eskimo news. That makes us the minority.

I would argue that there are a few, adb included, that are even a minority on this site... and that's not to say that they care more than others or are better fans... but this thread showed that there were a minority of people that didn't want to even miss out on reports from a mini-camp (and make no mistake, it wasn't just your typical free agent evaluation camp as the website billed it). Most of the responses in the thread have shown that people were okay with it, and that's absolutely fine. I, like adb, was not happy with it, and remain unhappy with it, and I believe it's very much a minority opinion, something which I'm thankful for, because we saw the effect on the EEFC when a majority of people are upset with them.

Opus
05-09-2013, 12:32 PM
If I thought for one iota of a second that any relevant story or information would have broken from the media's knowledge of the camp, then I would have cared.

I know from past experiences watching the local scribes in this town, a phone interview asking who looked better Reilly or Nichols was about all we were going to get.

Remember, the Oilers were still playing. :sigh:

adb
05-09-2013, 12:45 PM
If I thought for one iota of a second that any relevant story or information would have broken from the media's knowledge of the camp, then I would have cared.

I know from past experiences watching the local scribes in this town, a phone interview asking who looked better Reilly or Nichols was about all we were going to get.

Remember, the Oilers were still playing. :sigh:

To me it's more than just about a relevant story or information...to me it's about generating interest...how much relevant information was really provided us during the Hail Mary series on TV...heck a lot of the drama involved players that didn't even make it to training camp it didn't make it any less interesting as far as I'm concerned...that was great television and could do nothing but positive things in terms of generating interest...did it actually generate any...that's questionable but it was still worth doing and over time in conjunction with other initiatives may actually make a difference...if the Esks had another opportunity to do something similar in the future I would applaud them for doing it...getting a quote over the phone is something IMO and while grateful for any information if I knew that all the writer did was to make a phone call then I would have been willing to write the scribe an email complaining about it and eventually if enough people start doing that maybe they send one of those scribes down to actually cover something like an eval camp but they sure as heck won't be doing it if it's a secret...hey I know we're rolling a boulder up a mountain here but you have to start somewhere as far as I'm concerned.

GreatWhiteNorth
05-09-2013, 12:47 PM
If I thought for one iota of a second that any relevant story or information would have broken from the media's knowledge of the camp, then I would have cared.

I know from past experiences watching the local scribes in this town, a phone interview asking who looked better Reilly or Nichols was about all we were going to get.

Remember, the Oilers were still playing. :sigh:

You, and others, may be absolutely right. Personally, in the day and age of Twitter, I see more off-season coverage from some of the beat guys than I ever have before. I know that there is a transformation going on in terms of print media, and a contraction of their expenses and what they can justify to match a shrinking demand for print news, but I would've been surprised to see not even one beat reporter sent down. My guess is no more valid than yours, and in fact, you have a lot more evidence to back up your conclusion, but if the Esks wanted no media coverage, and truly believed that they wouldn't have got any, then what was the point of keeping the lid on the nature of the event until afterwards?

Diesel
05-09-2013, 01:02 PM
From a football opps side, there would have been little consideration on the front burner for the media, unlike last year where their major concern was having the media come to them without the foggiest notion of what the sociopath had already rushed to the nearest mic to share or leak and to whom. To me this whole deal reflects on the communications department and the improvements that need to happen in regards to how the opps moves need to be communicated

Beerfish
05-09-2013, 01:36 PM
I hate to say it but the perception I get is the Esks got caught having that mini camp and now they can't have the regular rookie camp. The excuse Reed put forth in that interview seemed rather flimsy to me. Oh we have a lot of vets so no need to have another camp. I simply don't buy it.

turftoe27
05-09-2013, 01:51 PM
From a football opps side, there would have been little consideration on the front burner for the media, unlike last year where their major concern was having the media come to them without the foggiest notion of what the sociopath had already rushed to the nearest mic to share or leak and to whom. To me this whole deal reflects on the communications department and the improvements that need to happen in regards to how the opps moves need to be communicated

I find roster updates to be very inconsistent. For example with today's media release of the signing of White and Wallace the roster was updated immediately and their names on the roster. On April 18th when Crump, Prude, and Rivers were released their names were still on the roster a week later. Maybe for some a small detail, but when you do the small things as well as you do bigger things you have a more professional organization.

boydo
05-09-2013, 01:54 PM
I hate to say it but the perception I get is the Esks got caught having that mini camp and now they can't have the regular rookie camp. The excuse Reed put forth in that interview seemed rather flimsy to me. Oh we have a lot of vets so no need to have another camp. I simply don't buy it.

Timing is wrong though. The League puts restrictions on stuff like this and would have smacked the Esks with a fine if something hinky was going on.

Inquiring Mind
05-09-2013, 04:58 PM
I think a few in these parts need a refresher... thus:

http://dynamic-evolution.com/macros/molehill-mountain.jpg

Macavity
05-09-2013, 07:27 PM
So, you picture the molehill from the side and paint part of it white?