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Angelus
02-20-2005, 04:00 PM
Burris headed west

Sources have told Sportsnet's Marty York that quarterback Henry Burris has informed the Calgary Stampeders that he will sign with them as a free agent this week.

Sportsnet.ca -- It appears the new ownership group in Calgary is trying to put their stamp on the local CFL franchise's roster.

Sources have told Sportsnet's Marty York that quarterback Henry Burris has informed the Calgary Stampeders that he will sign with them as a free agent this week.

Last week, Burris rejected an offer worth $310,000 a year from Saskatchewan. Had he accepted that offer, Burris would have become the highest-paid player in Roughriders history.

York's sources say the Stamps have offered Burris a three-year contract worth about $1.2-million.

With the Burris signing imminent, the Stamps likely will release quarterback Khari Jones, formerly the most-outstanding player in the CFL.

Saskatchewan and Toronto, at least, would have interest in negotiating a deal with Jones for less than the $350,000 he was supposed to be paid in 2005. York will have more on Burris and Jones on Sportsnet and Sportsnet.ca as the week progresses.

earl2
02-20-2005, 04:11 PM
That's way too much money for a QB who hasn't won anything or played with any kind of consistency throughout his career...

Inquiring Mind
02-20-2005, 04:14 PM
Thats ok.... its Calgary's money.... :D ;)

eskiez
02-20-2005, 04:16 PM
Now with the way the teams are shaping up I think Calgary and Sask might be battling it out for third place.

GeeBrr
02-20-2005, 04:51 PM
Now with the way the teams are shaping up I think Calgary and Sask might be battling it out for third place.


I think the Riders are going to stomp the Stampeders this year.

esks4life
02-20-2005, 04:53 PM
I think the Riders are going to stomp the Stampeders this year.
nice spin on the pun. :lol:

gizmo fan 2
02-20-2005, 05:12 PM
Thats ok.... its Calgary's money.... :D ;)

But if a guy like Burris who hasn't done much can get that much money, what does that mean for others, specifically Maas when his contract comes up? :( A lot more $, that's what.

Burris gets 400k like it says, I think salaries might get out of control, which would be really bad for the league :( , especially since the "cap" isn't being enforced.

esks4life
02-20-2005, 05:17 PM
What would it take for the CFL to get a higher and strict salary cap? What is stopping the league from making a 4 or 5 million dollar cap? Everyone on the team could get at least 90,000 a season and give extra to your star players. Cause this 2.783468 million or whatever it is salary cap is crap.

gizmo fan 2
02-20-2005, 05:22 PM
What would it take for the CFL to get a higher and strict salary cap? What is stopping the league from making a 4 or 5 million dollar cap? Everyone on the team could get at least 90,000 a season and give extra to your star players. Cause this 2.783468 million or whatever it is salary cap is crap.

Good point, and I agree that they should have a higher cap...but they have to come up with and implement it first, and I don't see that happening very soon. :(

Inquiring Mind
02-20-2005, 05:28 PM
But if a guy like Burris who hasn't done much can get that much money, what does that mean for others, specifically Maas when his contract comes up? :( A lot more $, that's what.

Burris gets 400k like it says, I think salaries might get out of control, which would be really bad for the league :( , especially since the "cap" isn't being enforced.

Salaries already are out of control... people just don't want to admit it yet.

Dickenson and Calvillo getting 400K pushed it to the brink, but as there was some justification there was still some reason but even then one could argue it had started..... but as soon as Avery got 250K then Khari Jones getting that ridiculous deal last year it was over.

Avery's may have been rolled back, but the damage is done, it pushed the position players salaries into an entirely new level and when Jones got his deal that launched the average Qb into another stratisphere. Burris' deal just perpetuates that problem, but the horse is already out of the barn....

lloyd
02-20-2005, 06:06 PM
Now with the way the teams are shaping up I think Calgary and Sask might be battling it out for third place.

HA!

anyways, if they want to pay Hank that much, then good for Hank, I'd love to get paid $200,000 more than I'm worth. Lets see how he performs with no backup competition behind him and an average o-line.
On the otherside I wouldnt be against seeing how Khari does behind a solid o-line and and a good running game. I would still rather see the team make a pitch at Wynn or Kennedy.

hgtff
02-20-2005, 06:25 PM
But if a guy like Burris who hasn't done much can get that much money, what does that mean for others, specifically Maas when his contract comes up? :( A lot more $, that's what.


well Maas doesn't seem to be a money hungry as Burris though. but you never know, what happens if Kevin Glenn goes out and has a good season?? Does he walk into Brendan Tamans office and demand 400k a year?

MEEZY
02-20-2005, 06:28 PM
If this is indeed true, than I see Saskatchewan benefitting from the deal. IMO, Jones is better than Burris, especially in the accuracy department. Calgary is pretty foolish to be pursuing Burris when they already have a fairly competent QB. After all, they didn't even give Jones a full season to prove himself.

Inquiring Mind
02-20-2005, 06:38 PM
I think Jones could do alright in Regina.... but I'm not sure if Barrett and Shivers would be willing to give the the no. 1 spot through thick and thin as they seem sold on Nealon Greene.

I think Hamilton might be the optimal spot for Jones at this point.... I don't know how much longer MacManus has in him but I don't see him going past this season (although I've been thinking that for the last two so...). Hamilton can afford letting him play second fiddle for a year and then give him the reigns free and clear next year.

lloyd
02-20-2005, 06:42 PM
I think Jones could do alright in Regina.... but I'm not sure if Barrett and Shivers would be willing to give the the no. 1 spot through thick and thin as they seem sold on Nealon Greene.

I think Hamilton might be the optimal spot for Jones at this point.... I don't know how much longer MacManus has in him but I don't see him going past this season (although I've been thinking that for the last two so...). Hamilton can afford letting him play second fiddle for a year and then give him the reigns free and clear next year.

The rumour on Riderfans is that a poster has confirmed Khari has a room booked at the Delta in Regina. I didnt think Roy and Danny would bring in Khari but if they were smart they would realize that Nealon wont be an effective runner as he got a surgery that will definately effect that (VERY reliable source).

Inquiring Mind
02-20-2005, 06:46 PM
The rumour on Riderfans is that a poster has confirmed Khari has a room booked at the Delta in Regina. I didnt think Roy and Danny would bring in Khari but if they were smart they would realize that Nealon wont be an effective runner as he got a surgery that will definately effect that (VERY reliable source).

A month and a half ago numerous reliable sources over their were claiming Burris signing with the Riders was immenent too....

lloyd
02-20-2005, 06:54 PM
A month and a half ago numerous reliable sources over their were claiming Burris signing with the Riders was immenent too....
Hey I'm not here to convince you of otherwise, doesnt matter to me if you dont buy it but Nealon isnt physically able to be an effective starter.

Inquiring Mind
02-20-2005, 07:03 PM
Hey I'm not here to convince you of otherwise, doesnt matter to me if you dont buy it but Nealon isnt physically able to be an effective starter.

I wasn't questioning your assessment of Greene, I really don't claim to have any intricate insight into assessing players abilities..... I was more poking fun at taking speculation for more than face value (re: the hotel thingy) :D

I'm actually somewhat interested in what your take is on how Barrett and Shivers have never shied away from promoting Greene throughout this process. Nothing against the guy, but I'm not sure its helped with landing Burris, who obviously wants to be the clear cut no. 1, when your brass has continutally stated they already had a starting QB.

Esks4ever
02-20-2005, 08:31 PM
1.2mil for 3 years.. for an average QB. Somebody explain to me what Burris has done for someone to consider that amount.

Maas' contract is up, what next year ? So will he walk in demaning 400k now?

Angelus
02-20-2005, 09:11 PM
1.2mil for 3 years.. for an average QB. Somebody explain to me what Burris has done for someone to consider that amount.

Maas' contract is up, what next year ? So will he walk in demaning 400k now?
He could. I doubt he would...I think he'd take less to stay in Edmonton. I also think the Esks would have no problems paying him what he's worth.

But we'll see.

lloyd
02-21-2005, 03:22 AM
I wasn't questioning your assessment of Greene, I really don't claim to have any intricate insight into assessing players abilities..... I was more poking fun at taking speculation for more than face value (re: the hotel thingy) :D

I'm actually somewhat interested in what your take is on how Barrett and Shivers have never shied away from promoting Greene throughout this process. Nothing against the guy, but I'm not sure its helped with landing Burris, who obviously wants to be the clear cut no. 1, when your brass has continutally stated they already had a starting QB.


Simply, they know that Greenes biggest weapon, his legs, have been severly compromised and he wont be a threat on the ground. I dont think Roy once intended on starting Greene this season so all that talk in Burris negotiations was a tactic used by Roy. Greene is a backup and a pretty good one at that, but he wont be starting IMO.

glenvb
02-21-2005, 08:20 AM
Why do we ever listen to Marty York?? Yet again...

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/CFL/Saskatchewan/2005/02/21/937701-sun.html

esks4life
02-21-2005, 11:20 AM
He played for the Stamps before so why did they have to show him around the city again?

Opus
02-21-2005, 11:46 AM
He's playing this for all it's worth.......consider that the Riders opening offer was in the 150K range and now he has worked that up to double that amount just talking to the Stamps......now if he can hang out and get interest from another team or two he likely figures it can go even higher...some have said the Calgary offer could extend upwards of 400k already, maybe he is just a sucker for all the attention, which wouldn't suprise me much considering the way he has always mugged for the camera whenever one was stuck in his face.

Yup, ol' $milin Banks is enjoying his spot in the limelight right now....

lloyd
02-21-2005, 01:28 PM
I give him credit, he's getting all he can. I've said numerous times, hank will weight out all his options and be in no hurry to sign. I must admit its alway nice to have an article with actual quotes in it!

Inquiring Mind
02-21-2005, 07:10 PM
Simply, they know that Greenes biggest weapon, his legs, have been severly compromised and he wont be a threat on the ground. I dont think Roy once intended on starting Greene this season so all that talk in Burris negotiations was a tactic used by Roy. Greene is a backup and a pretty good one at that, but he wont be starting IMO.

IMO, there is a time and a place for posturing.... and this wasn't it.

When the other team is offering more money, and a willingness to make you the franchise player.... thats not the time to start skimping on the intangibles.

Calgary is holding a lot of cards in this circumstance, and the only ones the Riders really have is sentimentality and competitiveness.... so they shouldn't be throwing away what they do have by making public statements like that.

Playing hard to get doesn't work as well when the pretty rich girl already has her ankles behind her ears if you catch my drift...

Green Blood
02-21-2005, 08:24 PM
IMO, there is a time and a place for posturing.... and this wasn't it.

When the other team is offering more money, and a willingness to make you the franchise player.... thats not the time to start skimping on the intangibles.

Calgary is holding a lot of cards in this circumstance, and the only ones the Riders really have is sentimentality and competitiveness.... so they shouldn't be throwing away what they do have by making public statements like that.

Playing hard to get doesn't work as well when the pretty rich girl already has her ankles behind her ears if you catch my drift...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (4/5 rating)

Good analogy!

earl2
02-21-2005, 08:56 PM
Playing hard to get doesn't work as well when the pretty rich girl already has her ankles behind her ears if you catch my drift...

:lol:

Opus
02-21-2005, 09:44 PM
:lol: that line got you some rep :thup:

Inquiring Mind
02-22-2005, 12:46 PM
Well I can't take all the credit for the line, a big assist to Rodney Dangerfield http://www.bigthumb.org/PlayWav/playwav.asp?wavfile=/wav01/For_Women/attract.wav

Just out of curiosity, what garners a 5/5 GB?

Green Blood
02-22-2005, 02:01 PM
Well I can't take all the credit for the line, a big assist to Rodney Dangerfield http://www.bigthumb.org/PlayWav/playwav.asp?wavfile=/wav01/For_Women/attract.wav

Just out of curiosity, what garners a 5/5 GB?

I'll know the answer to that question, when I see it. :D

Nanookster
02-22-2005, 02:03 PM
That's way too much money for a QB who hasn't won anything or played with any kind of consistency throughout his career...

No kidding, but I like to see Calgary wasting the money.

It is good for two reasons, Burris won't do any better in Calgary and it will piss off Rider fans.

Chucker44
02-22-2005, 04:14 PM
I think the Riders will make out better than Calgary in this transaction if they pick up Khari.

If they don't, where do you think he is headed?

Injury stiffled him last year. I think he still has some ball left in him.

MEEZY
02-22-2005, 04:31 PM
If they don't, where do you think he is headed?


Hamilton makes the most sense to me. They desperately need to upgrade at QB, and Bob Young certainly has the resources to do so.

GITC
02-22-2005, 05:25 PM
The rumour on Riderfans is that a poster has confirmed Khari has a room booked at the Delta in Regina. I didnt think Roy and Danny would bring in Khari but if they were smart they would realize that Nealon wont be an effective runner as he got a surgery that will definately effect that (VERY reliable source).
Then he must be on a junket to Casino Regina. He certainly couldn't be there to discuss football and contracts and playing for the Riders. The guy is still under contract to the Stumps.

I know there's been plenty of discussions around 'tampering' but this really would set the bar a little higher. :p

Germany25
02-22-2005, 05:33 PM
no kidding...the CFL sometimes gets pretty down lo in the management of the league and teams....imagine that in qany other major sports league? there would be all sorts of things flying around..