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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    You know the one thing that has always stuck in my mind is.... did Jamie get at the man who cut his hand off? I would have to go back and see the episode, but it wasn't even someone allied with Rob Stark was it? Do the books go into this? Does Jamie ever get back at that guy or his family?

    So the dead dragon spits out a laser beam or lightsaber that is able to destroy The Wall? Believe me, i'm not one of those people who looks for plot holes in everything. This series is complete fiction and even within the realm of this fictitious world i'm willing to suspend disbelief and just go with it. But, it seems like this dragon's "fire" or whatever it is is massively powerful. If the other dragons just spit out fire how long would it take for them to wear down a section of the wall to the point it collapses? Oh well the army of the dead has to advance south anyway so be it.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    Did someone say pvc and latex???
    Just a quick shout out to Mr."Winning isn't everything" for pis*ing away not one but TWO HoF QB's. F*ck you Len and good riddance.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Esks1949 View Post
    You know the one thing that has always stuck in my mind is.... did Jamie get at the man who cut his hand off? I would have to go back and see the episode, but it wasn't even someone allied with Rob Stark was it? Do the books go into this? Does Jamie ever get back at that guy or his family?

    So the dead dragon spits out a laser beam or lightsaber that is able to destroy The Wall? Believe me, i'm not one of those people who looks for plot holes in everything. This series is complete fiction and even within the realm of this fictitious world i'm willing to suspend disbelief and just go with it. But, it seems like this dragon's "fire" or whatever it is is massively powerful. If the other dragons just spit out fire how long would it take for them to wear down a section of the wall to the point it collapses? Oh well the army of the dead has to advance south anyway so be it.

    Do you think that George R R Martin has an incest fetish? I mean, really? Everyone has their thing. Some guys it's shiny, pvc, and latex. Some guys it's stockings and high heels, etc... I think Georgie has... some issues here..
    I don't know why you would blame George for the Dany/Jon storyline. There is no evidence that's from him. The books haven't gotten that far and I'm willing to bet the "fan service" season we just watched will deviate greatly from the books.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    I don't know why you would blame George for the Dany/Jon storyline. There is no evidence that's from him. The books haven't gotten that far and I'm willing to bet the "fan service" season we just watched will deviate greatly from the books.
    Yeah, alright that's fair. I don't know whether that's the showrunner's or George suggesting they should do that. Will be interesting to watch the scene with Bran and Jon when he presumably finds out his Aunt is Dany!
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Esks1949 View Post
    Yeah, alright that's fair. I don't know whether that's the showrunner's or George suggesting they should do that. Will be interesting to watch the scene with Bran and Jon when he presumably finds out his Aunt is Dany!
    I only read a bit of the series, but I seem to recall something about incest being somewhat regular in that world, especially amongst cousins. Kind of like Saskatchewan. Granted this is nephew/aunt, but there is history in the books that seem to accept it, though the High Septon opposed (which was basically obliterated). I'd imagine this was part of GRRM's plan.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    I only read a bit of the series, but I seem to recall something about incest being somewhat regular in that world, especially amongst cousins. Kind of like Saskatchewan. Granted this is nephew/aunt, but there is history in the books that seem to accept it, though the High Septon opposed (which was basically obliterated). I'd imagine this was part of GRRM's plan.
    The Targaryen's wed brother to sister for generations to keep the bloodlines pure. Dany's parents were brother & sister.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    The Targaryen's wed brother to sister for generations to keep the bloodlines pure. Dany's parents were brother & sister.
    I thought I remembered something specific to the Targaryen's as well, but didn't remember specifics. So there you go.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    I'm going to go through withdrawl on Sunday I can see it already...

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    Here's a good article for those wondering about the book vs the show: https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/2...-news-chapters

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Season 7: July 16, 2017

    This is really cool:


    GOT7 Breakdown from El Ranchito Imagen Digital on Vimeo.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    What a journey it has been...

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Can't wait to see how they wrap it all up. I've been watching episodes here and there getting all the good scenes again. (Arya killing EVERYONE, Cercei blowing up the Sept, Hound being Hound etc.)
    Just a quick shout out to Mr."Winning isn't everything" for pis*ing away not one but TWO HoF QB's. F*ck you Len and good riddance.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Man, what a letdown that episode was. Hardly anybody of note died. The writers have become such softies since Martin's source material ran out. They show Ghost in the first few minutes and then completely abandon him.

    I guess some of the dragon stuff was cool.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Funny...I thought it was one of the best episodes so far... The directing was a little shaky for my tastes and feel they needed someone that was more adapted to battle scenes to get it right but overall was very impressed. There's still another big battle coming so don't be too sure your favorite characters will be alive by the end.

    And come on, you can't tell me that the big kill wasn't f*cking epic!!!
    Just a quick shout out to Mr."Winning isn't everything" for pis*ing away not one but TWO HoF QB's. F*ck you Len and good riddance.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    I thought it was good overall. I expected more death, but I'm not going to complain. The biggest issue I have is that it was too dark and too smoky, making it difficult to follow what was going on at times.

    Also, after the Dothraki are slaughtered right at the beginning of the battle, why weren't they raised right then and sent right back? And while the walkers were stalled by the trench, why weren't they firing arrows and catapults into them? Poor battle strategy on both sides.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by nafnikufesin View Post
    I thought it was good overall. I expected more death, but I'm not going to complain. The biggest issue I have is that it was too dark and too smoky, making it difficult to follow what was going on at times.

    Also, after the Dothraki are slaughtered right at the beginning of the battle, why weren't they raised right then and sent right back? And while the walkers were stalled by the trench, why weren't they firing arrows and catapults into them? Poor battle strategy on both sides.
    And why were Jon and Dany not laying waste with the dragons the entire time? Better yet, you're facing an enemy that can and has raised the dead...and you hide all the women and children in a crypt? I'm sure the TW and I weren't the only ones thinking that was a bad idea.
    Just a quick shout out to Mr."Winning isn't everything" for pis*ing away not one but TWO HoF QB's. F*ck you Len and good riddance.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Mixed feelings about this episode:

    - Melisandre lighting up the Dothraki swords was so epic....yet it didn’t accomplish anything other than looking cool
    - I’m not an expert on CGI, but is it really that expensive that they only drop Ghost into pointless cameos these days?
    - Did Jon’s dragon survive? Jon fell off him but did we ever see him again?
    - I get what they were going for with the dark environment but it combined with the Marvel level fighting cuts made it very difficult to tell what was happening.
    - And as much as I’m looking forward to resolving the Iron throne issue, it feels unbalanced going straight from a battle against all powerful dead zombies with a zombie dragon to a conflict against humans.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    There again, if she could light up the Dothraki's swords, why not everyone's? The Unsullied? I don't know. I had had a little to smoke before we watched the episode so I wasn't sure if the dark/cloudy/foggy/unclear action was just me being fuzzy or if it was everyone!
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by boydo View Post
    There again, if she could light up the Dothraki's swords, why not everyone's? The Unsullied? I don't know. I had had a little to smoke before we watched the episode so I wasn't sure if the dark/cloudy/foggy/unclear action was just me being fuzzy or if it was everyone!
    The Unsullied were using Dragon Glass as were others they did not need fire to kill the walkers.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    I thought it was weak. I'm even sure who died and who didn't. Horrible direction.

    I hate Hollywood. Everything is either superheroes or zombies now. It's in movies, TV, video games, everything. Yawn.

    I'm going back to reading books.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    Man, what a letdown that episode was. Hardly anybody of note died. The writers have become such softies since Martin's source material ran out. They show Ghost in the first few minutes and then completely abandon him.

    I guess some of the dragon stuff was cool.
    I generally felt the same way at first, but thinking on it overnight, the show has always been about the conflict between the houses and about their claims to lands or ultimately the iron throne.

    The Night King and his army were just an external (mostly faceless) threat (granted a really big one). It makes more sense that when the main characters die, it is because of human betrayals, or "Games" played between the houses. A random white walker killing Dany, John, Tyrion, Jamie or one of the Starks would have actually been very underwhelming in the grand scheme of the series.

    As for the production value and plot movement. The visuals were hard to watch, several points of the conflicts didn't seem to make much sense, and I'm not sure how Arya magically got out there all of the sudden. But I'm okay that the key players survived.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    I generally felt the same way at first, but thinking on it overnight, the show has always been about the conflict between the houses and about their claims to lands or ultimately the iron throne.

    The Night King and his army were just an external (mostly faceless) threat (granted a really big one). It makes more sense that when the main characters die, it is because of human betrayals, or "Games" played between the houses. A random white walker killing Dany, John, Tyrion, Jamie or one of the Starks would have actually been very underwhelming in the grand scheme of the series.

    As for the production value and plot movement. The visuals were hard to watch, several points of the conflicts didn't seem to make much sense, and I'm not sure how Arya magically got out there all of the sudden. But I'm okay that the key players survived.
    The more I thought about it, the more incensed I've become. I think it was a pretty terrible episode and downright stupid. But whatever. I think Martin screwed this all up by refusing to finish the books.

    It's clear to me now that they're just playing out the predictable ending of Jon being on the Iron Throne at the end. Yawn.

    Jaime already charged at a dragon once. Why not have him go up against Viserion? Is the precious pending love affair between him and Brienne too heart warming to do something awesome like that? To be completely honest, when Arya attacked the Night King, I thought "oh man, this is awesome, GoT is going to do it again by having the Night King kill Arya". Could you imagine how the world would have gone nuts? Instead they have her kill the Night King while all his army just stands around and watches.

    It was downright laughable.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    The more I thought about it, the more incensed I've become. I think it was a pretty terrible episode and downright stupid. But whatever. I think Martin screwed this all up by refusing to finish the books.

    It's clear to me now that they're just playing out the predictable ending of Jon being on the Iron Throne at the end. Yawn.

    Jaime already charged at a dragon once. Why not have him go up against Viserion? Is the precious pending love affair between him and Brienne too heart warming to do something awesome like that? To be completely honest, when Arya attacked the Night King, I thought "oh man, this is awesome, GoT is going to do it again by having the Night King kill Arya". Could you imagine how the world would have gone nuts? Instead they have her kill the Night King while all his army just stands around and watches.

    It was downright laughable.
    In fairness, it seems predictable now, but other than a few unconfirmed theories, it wouldn't have been too predictable 2 seasons ago.

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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by nafnikufesin View Post
    In fairness, it seems predictable now, but other than a few unconfirmed theories, it wouldn't have been too predictable 2 seasons ago.
    Really? Why would you say that? People have known for a long time that Jon was a Targaryen.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus View Post
    The more I thought about it, the more incensed I've become. I think it was a pretty terrible episode and downright stupid. But whatever. I think Martin screwed this all up by refusing to finish the books.

    It's clear to me now that they're just playing out the predictable ending of Jon being on the Iron Throne at the end. Yawn.

    Jaime already charged at a dragon once. Why not have him go up against Viserion? Is the precious pending love affair between him and Brienne too heart warming to do something awesome like that? To be completely honest, when Arya attacked the Night King, I thought "oh man, this is awesome, GoT is going to do it again by having the Night King kill Arya". Could you imagine how the world would have gone nuts? Instead they have her kill the Night King while all his army just stands around and watches.

    It was downright laughable.
    I understand the thoughts. Jamie may have been a good candidate in your scenario, but for plot I think Jaime and Brienne hooking up then having Cersei kill Brienne out of jealousy then Jaime killing Cersei (King and now Queen slayer) could be a better plot line than him killed by a dragon in combat.

    Reality is that someone had to kill the Night King or else the show would just end in this battle, and it being a Stark made the most sense based on history, I just didn't like how they built to it as Arya being there came out of nowhere. Perhaps had he actually killed Bran just as Arya got there it would have created a more dramatic finish, or perhaps that was their intent with killing Theon right before that but failing to realize that by now Theon wasn't really a sympathetic character and was quite disposable to us.

    Character by character the key ones left that were at the battle are:

    Dany - perhaps they could have killed her as the Targaryen line can now be repped by Jon and Jon has now worked with the dragons, but perhaps they are setting up a conflict between her and Jon.
    Jon - same as Danny, but his ties to the Starks are likely important when the eventual battle for the throne happens.
    Arya - she's really the only useful Stark left (physically) and there are ties to Sandor which may play into his final confrontation with Gregor or hers with Cersei. Essentially both Cleganes are protectors to either Arya and Cersei and Arya vowed to kill Cersei. Should she get the chance, I suspect both Clegane brother are nearby.
    Sansa - they could have done something with her because her plot lines are really just down to payback to Cersei, but Jamie's plot line or Arya's is likely more dramatic.
    Bran - Not sure what his role is as the crow plays down the line, and frankly he's not all that sympathetic to me, so I'm not sure losing him would have done much.
    Sandor - he needs his confrontation with Gregor, which likely comes in moment of Arya confronting Cersei.
    Jaime - his previous role as king slayer leads me to think he may be meant to kill Cersei (the current sitting Queen)
    Brienne - possibly the plot device to lead Jaime to kill Cersei
    Tyrion - they could have killed him off as his last beef is Cersei, but Jaime's is more dramatic. I think he's there just to be the brains behind the eventual battle for the throne (his knowledge of Cersei) or perhaps Bron will murder him also fueling the Jamie murder of Cersei.

    Who else am I missing that could have been an impactful death.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Ok episode, not enough boobs
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    I understand the thoughts. Jamie may have been a good candidate in your scenario, but for plot I think Jaime and Brienne hooking up then having Cersei kill Brienne out of jealousy then Jaime killing Cersei (King and now Queen slayer) could be a better plot line than him killed by a dragon in combat.

    Reality is that someone had to kill the Night King or else the show would just end in this battle, and it being a Stark made the most sense based on history, I just didn't like how they built to it as Arya being there came out of nowhere. Perhaps had he actually killed Bran just as Arya got there it would have created a more dramatic finish, or perhaps that was their intent with killing Theon right before that but failing to realize that by now Theon wasn't really a sympathetic character and was quite disposable to us.

    Character by character the key ones left that were at the battle are:

    Dany - perhaps they could have killed her as the Targaryen line can now be repped by Jon and Jon has now worked with the dragons, but perhaps they are setting up a conflict between her and Jon.
    Jon - same as Danny, but his ties to the Starks are likely important when the eventual battle for the throne happens.
    Arya - she's really the only useful Stark left (physically) and there are ties to Sandor which may play into his final confrontation with Gregor or hers with Cersei. Essentially both Cleganes are protectors to either Arya and Cersei and Arya vowed to kill Cersei. Should she get the chance, I suspect both Clegane brother are nearby.
    Sansa - they could have done something with her because her plot lines are really just down to payback to Cersei, but Jamie's plot line or Arya's is likely more dramatic.
    Bran - Not sure what his role is as the crow plays down the line, and frankly he's not all that sympathetic to me, so I'm not sure losing him would have done much.
    Sandor - he needs his confrontation with Gregor, which likely comes in moment of Arya confronting Cersei.
    Jaime - his previous role as king slayer leads me to think he may be meant to kill Cersei (the current sitting Queen)
    Brienne - possibly the plot device to lead Jaime to kill Cersei
    Tyrion - they could have killed him off as his last beef is Cersei, but Jaime's is more dramatic. I think he's there just to be the brains behind the eventual battle for the throne.

    Who else am I missing that could have been an impactful death.
    There's 3 episodes left. They could have thinned the herd a little. The thing people are going to remember about GoT is the Red Wedding or Ned's death. Not this mess of an episode where the biggest character who died was Jorah Mormont who should have died from Greyscale anyway.
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    Re: Game of Thrones (HBO) - Final Season: April 14, 2019

    Also, I am picking on this episode because it was the most recent and because it was super hyped. But this has been a problem for a while now. There are zero consequences for the main cast since Martin's material ran out. I had the same issue last year with the battle in the North where the only character that died was Thoros. At least there they killed a dragon. But I feel like the writers have fallen in love with their characters and/or the actors and the show has suffered because of it.
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