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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    I don't think anything's decided yet. Sometimes it's fast (Kavis Reed), sometimes it's a week later after GM and Coach have time to chat (Richie Hall) about what the plan is for next year. I do imagine if he survives past Grey Cup sunday though that probably means he's sticking around. But who knows Rhodes likes firing guys weeks before training camp, maybe BS will follow his lead.
    I think the conversations will be simple I listened / watched all the end of year interviews on the esks site and in terms of coaching Maas has hinted to giving up the OC title.. But having a hand in.. Which is what myself and others have said should happen a few times.. Absolutely no talk of Dc so I go it goes like this

    ... If I were Brock.. My demands would be, get yourself a OC... And find an new Dc and Maas stays...
    If Jason complies he needs to set to his task if not then I'd imagine the announcements of new hc wanted will be out before Friday..
    IMHO The OC will not be a a big name or an experienced name it will be of the similar to Carson... It will be a man emmersed in maas's system... Some who. An ease the burden but also someone who Maas can manipulate...jordan M fits thst Bill ( however I'm not sure if after 1 year he is ready to lead an offence ) We won't see another OC eg Condell or Jones who will come, in and install a totally new offence and Tbh we don't need it...

    Who Maas chooses as his Dc will be huge... MASSIVE
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    I think the conversations will be simple I listened / watched all the end of year interviews on the esks site and in terms of coaching Maas has hinted to giving up the OC title.. But having a hand in.. Which is what myself and others have said should happen a few times.. Absolutely no talk of Dc so I go it goes like this

    ... If I were Brock.. My demands would be, get yourself a OC... And find an new Dc and Maas stays...

    If Jason complies he needs to set to his task if not then I'd imagine the announcements of new hc wanted will be out before Friday..
    IMHO The OC will not be a a big name or an experienced name it will be of the similar to Carson... It will be a man emmersed in maas's system... Some who. An ease the burden but also someone who Maas can manipulate...jordan M fits thst Bill ( however I'm not sure if after 1 year he is ready to lead an offence ) We won't see another OC eg Condell or Jones who will come, in and install a totally new offence and Tbh we don't need it...

    Who Maas chooses as his Dc will be huge... MASSIVE
    Exactly this on this front. Jason would need to demonstrate to Brock he has a handle on where things fell apart and what he wants to do. If they agree, he'll stay. I'd imagine both are guys that want to talk about it for at least a few days.

    The wild card here though is what happens up the line. If Rhodes throws BS under the bus to save his hide, or Rhodes gets fired himself, it may not matter what Brock and Jason are talking about right now.

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Rhodent won't fire Brock because it would be a public admission of his failure. Rhodent gets fired before BS, whenever that will be
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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    I think the conversations will be simple I listened / watched all the end of year interviews on the esks site and in terms of coaching Maas has hinted to giving up the OC title.. But having a hand in.. Which is what myself and others have said should happen a few times.. Absolutely no talk of Dc so I go it goes like this

    ... If I were Brock.. My demands would be, get yourself a OC... And find an new Dc and Maas stays...
    If Jason complies he needs to set to his task if not then I'd imagine the announcements of new hc wanted will be out before Friday..
    IMHO The OC will not be a a big name or an experienced name it will be of the similar to Carson... It will be a man emmersed in maas's system... Some who. An ease the burden but also someone who Maas can manipulate...jordan M fits thst Bill ( however I'm not sure if after 1 year he is ready to lead an offence ) We won't see another OC eg Condell or Jones who will come, in and install a totally new offence and Tbh we don't need it...

    Who Maas chooses as his Dc will be huge... MASSIVE
    I would be disappointed if BS were to demand a change to the DC. To me, that's vastly different from saying, "You've taken on too much, and need to bring in an OC", and treads into the area of not letting the coach pick who he is comfortable with on his staff. I think there is learning for JM as to what went right and what went wrong, and that will undoubtedly be a discussion between BS and JM, and you're correct - they will have to end up on the same page... or at least the same chapter of the book... to proceed. If they both agree that a change is necessary, either in the style of the defence or the coaching of the defence, then I can see making a move, and I do expect a head coach to listen to his GM's input on this, but I ultimately expect a GM to empower the HC to pick his staff and be accountable if it isn't working. I just don't measure "not working" in being a 9-9 season where, defensively, we played well enough to win a few more games down the stretch when the offence was struggling.

    Ultimately, this comes down to whether the GM has belief that the HC can do the job both now and/or into the future. There are those that have questioned JM's temperment at times, but few would question his offensive understanding or ability to coach players. I am 100% convinced that he has the leadership capabilities and presence to be an HC- and obviously not all coordinators can make that jump, as it does call for some different skills.

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    The grey cup could be a factor here as well, as it would be quite a thing to fire the president right before the grey cup in the hosting city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post
    I would be disappointed if BS were to demand a change to the DC. To me, that's vastly different from saying, "You've taken on too much, and need to bring in an OC", and treads into the area of not letting the coach pick who he is comfortable with on his staff. I think there is learning for JM as to what went right and what went wrong, and that will undoubtedly be a discussion between BS and JM, and you're correct - they will have to end up on the same page... or at least the same chapter of the book... to proceed. If they both agree that a change is necessary, either in the style of the defence or the coaching of the defence, then I can see making a move, and I do expect a head coach to listen to his GM's input on this, but I ultimately expect a GM to empower the HC to pick his staff and be accountable if it isn't working. I just don't measure "not working" in being a 9-9 season where, defensively, we played well enough to win a few more games down the stretch when the offence was struggling.

    Ultimately, this comes down to whether the GM has belief that the HC can do the job both now and/or into the future. There are those that have questioned JM's temperment at times, but few would question his offensive understanding or ability to coach players. I am 100% convinced that he has the leadership capabilities and presence to be an HC- and obviously not all coordinators can make that jump, as it does call for some different skills.
    As much as I dislike benes system.. there is no question this defence was vastly improved the back 9 and did enough in every game to give us the chance to win...
    u gotta give bene that.. our d was better... for me it’s so similar to stubs as in.. it’s gonna leak yards ... especially vs the run.. but he improved it..id day the last 8 games were the best the defence has looked prob including the entire bene era.. I haven’t looked at the stats but far to often teams were converting 2nd and plus 10 on us and imho thats the area that lets him down and imho why we need fresh thoughts on the defence side..

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    I'm still on the fire Maas train. I don't think he's every going to be a great head coach and I don't think he will learn from his mistakes(kicking FG's instead of going for it).

    I'm sure someone will try and convince me otherwise but I don't have a good feeling about him going forward as HC, especially since he said he'd still be heavily involved in the offense going forward. Doesn't give me much confidence on that side of the ball.

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    As much as I dislike benes system.. there is no question this defence was vastly improved the back 9 and did enough in every game to give us the chance to win...
    u gotta give bene that.. our d was better... for me it’s so similar to stubs as in.. it’s gonna leak yards ... especially vs the run.. but he improved it..id day the last 8 games were the best the defence has looked prob including the entire bene era.. I haven’t looked at the stats but far to often teams were converting 2nd and plus 10 on us and imho thats the area that lets him down and imho why we need fresh thoughts on the defence side..
    I would be interested to see a stat that showed points given up by the defence minus scores by the D and scores by the O where the ball was turned over in field goal range. I can pretty much guarantee that wouldn't look good for our D as we only had 1 defensive score all year. I like an attacking/ aggressive D that will give up the odd big play but also make the odd one, keeps teams guessing.
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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Looner View Post
    I would be interested to see a stat that showed points given up by the defence minus scores by the D and scores by the O where the ball was turned over in field goal range. I can pretty much guarantee that wouldn't look good for our D as we only had 1 defensive score all year. I like an attacking/ aggressive D that will give up the odd big play but also make the odd one, keeps teams guessing.
    Defence led the league in sacks I believe, but that may be as big of a backup to the thinking that sacks can be over-rated. Early on, lack of pressure was a big concern, as were injuries in the secondary.

    As you point out, this wasn't a sudden change defence in terms of scoring, and perhaps the even bigger weakness was susceptibility to the big play - I believe we led the league in giving up plays over 20 yds.

    I still wish that we'd had a chance to see the offense and defence clicking at the same time to get a better idea of the ceiling that this team has/had. I think that may have changed perceptions on the best course going forward on both sides to a degree.

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Looner View Post
    I would be interested to see a stat that showed points given up by the defence minus scores by the D and scores by the O where the ball was turned over in field goal range. I can pretty much guarantee that wouldn't look good for our D as we only had 1 defensive score all year. I like an attacking/ aggressive D that will give up the odd big play but also make the odd one, keeps teams guessing.
    I can guarantee our defence was the victim of a tonne of points given up by our offence and being set up to defend when a field goal was already assured.

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    I think part of the problem with the defense was system but I think a good chunk of it was personnel. I don't think their secondary was close to good enough. I don't think they cover overly well and if you have guys who are weak in coverage, it limits what you can do. I like that the defense was able to have the whole bend but don't break when it came up to not giving up TD's BUT when the Esks needed a stop, a big 2 and out, it never came. The bend but don't break is great to have and it keeps you in games BUT if the opposition starts on offense deep in their own end and your defense lets them slowly and methodically drive up the field to get into short field goal range which we all saw many, many, many times. While it is great they didn't give up a TD, they still allowed the oppositions defense a ton of time to sit and rest so they are fresh and they still took away a ton of playing time for your offense because your defense can't get off the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    I think part of the problem with the defense was system but I think a good chunk of it was personnel. I don't think their secondary was close to good enough. I don't think they cover overly well and if you have guys who are weak in coverage, it limits what you can do. I like that the defense was able to have the whole bend but don't break when it came up to not giving up TD's BUT when the Esks needed a stop, a big 2 and out, it never came. The bend but don't break is great to have and it keeps you in games BUT if the opposition starts on offense deep in their own end and your defense lets them slowly and methodically drive up the field to get into short field goal range which we all saw many, many, many times. While it is great they didn't give up a TD, they still allowed the oppositions defense a ton of time to sit and rest so they are fresh and they still took away a ton of playing time for your offense because your defense can't get off the field.
    We agree again?!?! Lots of guys on here are down on the Bene system because its not the Jones system. Bene is bend but don't break, Jones attacks and forces the issue. But the real problem doesn't lie with the scheme its with the personnel. DB group is for sure the weakest in the league. No matter what you're doing upfront we didn't stand a chance at covering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Looner View Post
    I would be interested to see a stat that showed points given up by the defence minus scores by the D and scores by the O where the ball was turned over in field goal range. I can pretty much guarantee that wouldn't look good for our D as we only had 1 defensive score all year. I like an attacking/ aggressive D that will give up the odd big play but also make the odd one, keeps teams guessing.
    Yes I would rather have an aggressive defence.. high risk high reward

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtuck09 View Post
    I'm still on the fire Maas train. I don't think he's every going to be a great head coach and I don't think he will learn from his mistakes(kicking FG's instead of going for it).

    I'm sure someone will try and convince me otherwise but I don't have a good feeling about him going forward as HC, especially since he said he'd still be heavily involved in the offense going forward. Doesn't give me much confidence on that side of the ball.
    You are entitled to your opinion. Having an OC to make in game decisions might make a huge difference. Look how many times you see an OC huddled with the QB when the defence is on the field. With Jason being the HC as well as OC he can't do that. I think his involvement in the offence will be in designing plays but not actual play calling during the game. I could be wrong though but that's the way I see it.

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    I see more of a need to have an associate head coach than an OC. Bene was supposed to be that guy who helped in situational management but there were a lot of stumbles there this year.
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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    I see more of a need to have an associate head coach than an OC. Bene was supposed to be that guy who helped in situational management but there were a lot of stumbles there this year.
    Valid point that...

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Hmmm I’m starting to doubt my previous statements.

    Brock might not fire Jason because he’s scared of where he (JM) could end up.

    ....or maybe it’s all about Reilly....

    ...but I still think Jason is gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    I see more of a need to have an associate head coach than an OC. Bene was supposed to be that guy who helped in situational management but there were a lot of stumbles there this year.
    On the other side of that same issue is that if the HC delegated OC duties we wouldn't need an associate head coach to help with situational management. I believe we need a qualified OC moreso then DC or HC.
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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    So Brock and Maas are meeting today. I guess we will know soon enough what happens.

    For the record, I don't think Maas should be fired. I have said it before you don't fire a guy unless you have a replacement that is better IMO. Maas has a winning record as a HC. Did he make mistakes? Yes he did. But how much of his mistakes were just him making a mistake vs how much were because he was doing too much? You don't typically see a lot of head coaches in the pros in football also being a coordinator. There is a reason for that. It's a lot for one guy to handle.
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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    Hmmm I’m starting to doubt my previous statements.

    Brock might not fire Jason because he’s scared of where he (JM) could end up.

    ....or maybe it’s all about Reilly....

    ...but I still think Jason is gone.
    Either way, someone's living rent free in the penthouse suite in his head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Either way, someone's living rent free in the penthouse suite in his head
    Hahahaha that’s for sure.....oops maybe you didn’t mean it to be funny.....I think it’s hilarious in a lame & pathetic kind of way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Rhodent won't fire Brock because it would be a public admission of his failure. Rhodent gets fired before BS, whenever that will be
    As a diehard Eskies fan I'm still devastated by how the last half of the season ended and I'd love to see rhodent fired bring in Sean Fleming as our president and let him make the decisions on BS and Maas but I'd prefer to see wholesale changes to coaching staff and start over fresh.I don't think the BOD has the willingness or the balls to fire Rhodent and that just bothers me

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    I hate to say it but I really think we lose Reilly and If we do I'd rather it be to anybody but the sliders ,I live in Regina and the fans in sliderville really ,really think that Reilly will follow Jones to sliderville and that would seriously bother me for a long long time.It makes sense if Reilly would stoop that low to come here to sliderville as his parents live in Montana don't they? And it would be a very short drive to Regina over Edmonton ,please Mike stay with the green and gold and stay bold

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    I'm seriously hoping for major shake up for our beloved Eskies but as each and every day goes by I feel like there will be no changes made as we finished 9-9 and if that happens at the very least I want a new DC,OC and ST coaches

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by dealerd View Post
    As a diehard Eskies fan I'm still devastated by how the last half of the season ended and I'd love to see rhodent fired bring in Sean Fleming as our president and let him make the decisions on BS and Maas but I'd prefer to see wholesale changes to coaching staff and start over fresh.I don't think the BOD has the willingness or the balls to fire Rhodent and that just bothers me

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    I hate to say it but I really think we lose Reilly and If we do I'd rather it be to anybody but the sliders ,I live in Regina and the fans in sliderville really ,really think that Reilly will follow Jones to sliderville and that would seriously bother me for a long long time.It makes sense if Reilly would stoop that low to come here to sliderville as his parents live in Montana don't they? And it would be a very short drive to Regina over Edmonton ,please Mike stay with the green and gold and stay bold
    But his wife and kids live in Seattle, if he's choosing a team based on geography, the Lions will be his choice. That being said the quickest way to make that decision for him would be to fire Maas as Hervey would hire him the same day.
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    But his wife and kids live in Seattle, if he's choosing a team based on geography, the Lions will be his choice. That being said the quickest way to make that decision for him would be to fire Maas as Hervey would hire him the same day.
    Flip side is reilly is also heading into a unseen situation.. no idea who his hc will be no idea who is Oc will be and if he can be effective in that mans system.. Mike wants to win and win now.. big risks involved making a jump into the unknown.. Jason maas has been good for mike Reilly as Much as mike Reilly has been good for Jason maas

    Jason’s offence works.. we know this..
    if we loose Reilly. But keep maas. I’m confident whomever we bring in can have the same production as mike, had.. I base this on the fact Burris had outstanding produvfion under maas previous to mike getting behind the wheel of Jason’s car..

    U have to hope that whomever Jason hands the keys to will be able to have the same success as the previous two owners..


    That said. Obv I want us to keep mike Reilly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Flip side is reilly is also heading into a unseen situation.. no idea who his hc will be no idea who is Oc will be and if he can be effective in that mans system.. Mike wants to win and win now.. big risks involved making a jump into the unknown.. Jason maas has been good for mike Reilly as Much as mike Reilly has been good for Jason maas

    Jason’s offence works.. we know this..
    if we loose Reilly. But keep maas. I’m confident whomever we bring in can have the same production as mike, had.. I base this on the fact Burris had outstanding produvfion under maas previous to mike getting behind the wheel of Jason’s car..

    U have to hope that whomever Jason hands the keys to will be able to have the same success as the previous two owners..


    That said. Obv I want us to keep mike Reilly..
    It becomes less of an unknow if Maas is there.
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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Looner View Post
    It becomes less of an unknow if Maas is there.
    Maas ain’t gettign fired...

    Esks are that incompetent at board level we would have fired him already and given ed the free release to aquire mr.. yes I believe we would be stupid enough to make that mistake..

    If he was going he would have gone..

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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Maas ain’t gettign fired...

    Esks are that incompetent at board level we would have fired him already and given ed the free release to aquire mr.. yes I believe we would be stupid enough to make that mistake..

    If he was going he would have gone..
    I hope you are right but the Hervey firing gives me little faith that we are going to do the right thing.
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    I hope you are right but the Hervey firing gives me little faith that we are going to do the right thing.
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    Re: Should Maas be fired?

    This season was bad. We know that Rhodes doesn't care much about winning but even he is smart enough to know that your team not even making the playoffs when you are hosting the championship game is bad for business. So someone has to take the bullet as I do not think the fan base will be too happy if everything stands pat. I personally think it would be a mistake to fire Maas and would be pissed if Maas is the only guy to go but I fear that he will be the fall guy and the wrong guys will keep their job.

    I will be curious to see just how tone def to the fans the BOG actually is. I think fans really want Rhodes gone as he is not well liked and if he is fired, that would be seen as the organization taking a step in the right direction. If Rhodes still has a job after this, I don't think too many will be happy.
    Remember winning is not enough according to Len Rhodes, President of a professional sports team.

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