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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post
    Hung out with a lot of Inuit people through your life, and been around when they heard the word used on them?

    I believe that the EEFC has some responsibilities to take steps to have ongoing dIalogue with affected groups.
    I have spent a lot of time with Inuit in the North, I participated in five years worth of flying in our North with the Airforce. They more than often referred to themselves as Eskimos. Although to be honest I don’t recall ever calling them Eskimos, I always referred to them by their given name.

    And the Eskimos have had dialogue with Inuit leaders in the North, the Eskimos had one Inuit Leader raise the flag this year that stated on the PS System he didn’t have a problem with the name.

    My understanding is it is a very small splinter group complaining about the name.

    IMHO, we are far too politically correct in this day and age. Just wait for it, someday someone will be offended by “Empire.”

    We live in a weird world that lacks common sense. Look at some behavior at Gay Pride Parades? If heterosexuals did the same we’d be charged with indecent exposure.
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Here we go again. Every time a team makes a name change that is PC motivated the Eskimos are brought up.

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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    God we better not change to empire..

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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    IF and that's a BIG IF...we do change our name I would be ok with the Empire. IF (again) it was done right and marketed correctly it could be awesome! But who are we kidding here....will never happen.
    And there was much rejoicing... yaayyy....

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    Empire is a terrible name. How do the players refer to themselves? "Once an Empirer always an Empirer"?

    It's not as simple as changing the letterhead here. So many ties to the history of the club go away, such as the Fight Song, the "Once an Eskimo..." and more. You dont just change a name of something as tenured as a 70+ year professional sports team and sort everything else out later.
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    I've got it!!!

    The Eskimo Empire
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by 56Parkies View Post
    Empire is a terrible name. How do the players refer to themselves? "Once an Empirer always an Empirer"?

    It's not as simple as changing the letterhead here. So many ties to the history of the club go away, such as the Fight Song, the "Once an Eskimo..." and more. You dont just change a name of something as tenured as a 70+ year professional sports team and sort everything else out later.
    Exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizmo View Post
    I've got it!!!

    The Eskimo Empire
    I know just the perfect name for a Podcast about that team....
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    Interesting (and honest) perspective.
    Let the team and the people directly impacted sort things out. We don't need some sports guy from Hamilton or a podcaster from Regina continually yapping about this stuff like it's their call.
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    I desperately hope that the Esks don’t give into any pressure to change their name. That said, if we had to change the name I think that Edmonton Empire would be a great choice!
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Are you going to change the name of the site to EmpFans.com?

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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    They should just bite the bullet and do it, it's going to happen eventually.

    Zero chance they could use Empire. There's been legal battles over this word with Star Wars, the Yankees and even the bloody TV show.
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    this is the truth regarding Sports names and Native culture


    In the USA. NCAA gave their schools opportunity to make side deals with the tribes in their community so they would be allowed to use their name. NCAA gave them a time frame in doing so or would have restrictions put on their programs.

    The 2 infamous cases are the Florida State Seminoles and North Dakota Fighting Sioux.

    The Seminoles case was a breeze. The Seminole tribe (clearly good people with no corruption) said absolutely. They were proud that their name was part of Florida State. They even have one of their tribes people part of their game day traditions.


    The Fighting Sioux was the complete opposite. They were building their brand new NHL style hockey arena. And their most notable alumni and biggest fan was the owner of Imperial Palace casino of Las Vegas. This name issue had started and he halted construction. The politicians put the name issue to rest and construction continued. Then it started up again and he threatened to walk away from construction and stop being part of the UND alumni.

    The UND council and Sioux tribe met and had a deal in the works. Then suddenly The Sioux Tribe (one of the most corrupted tribes in America) wanted $$ in return for use of their name. UND tried to make alternative favorable deal but didn't work out and now UND are offending the bird watchers group Fighting Hawks.


    In regards to Eskimos and term Indians. Canadian Indians are a bit of a messed up group. They do not want to be referred to as Indian, then Natives, then Aboriginal, then Indigenous. Whats next. They get offended every 10 years and soon someone will try to create a new issue just to throw their weight around to cause problems. And if they do not get their way they will block a rail road or protest in Ottawa banging their drums. Soon they will be offended that music bands have drums in their group.

    American Indians themselves refer to themselves as Indians or Natives. Canadians do not. The southern Indians of the USA have different ideologies than the northern indians.



    Now my take on sports logos being named after a culture. As long as its not racist. For example. To call your team New York Crackers. If that team was named after a cracker company famous in NYC. I don't think white people would be offended. But if there is no community significance it wouldn't be ok to use. If the team was named
    New York Nig***s. That would be idiotic.

    Naming the team New York Englishman or British, or Germans. That would be a sense of pride for me and I would feel proud.

    Clearly Indians of Canada/USA are not proud of their own culture enough to be part of celebrating it within a sports team.


    The term Eskimos is not a racist term. It has never been known to be racist. It is termed 'racist' among those who do not know the definition of 'racism'. It could be used
    as 'misunderstanding' or 'upsetting' to certain Indians of the north due to others being referred to as 'eskimos' when those people are not 'eskimos'. People of raw meet. I am sure you can not call the Seminole tribe 'eskimos' due to them not being part of the same type of people as the northern Canadian Indians.


    And Indians of both USA/CANADA need to understand that if they are offended by the term 'indians, aboriginals, natives,etc'' maybe they need to find a new term when calling people ' white people ' but they are too lazy to learn about the term 'white people'.

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    Canadian government made a big mistake decades allow giving Canadian Indians reserves. This entire racism of Natives start and end with land disagreement. They blame everything on 'white people' for stealing their land but fail to understand the history of EARTH. They came from the other side of the world and had to fight for the land they initially claimed as their own.

    Their teachings are incorrect. They didn't walk over and just prop up tents. They were killing tons of people to take over territory. I do not recall and Indians thousands of years ago walking around without face paint and weapons. Its part of their culture. They fought for their land. Not fight to keep their land. They were not here first.

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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimos View Post
    The term Eskimos is not a racist term. It has never been known to be racist.
    umm... wrong. You can't just wipe the board clean. Regardless of it's origins (everything from "eater of raw meat" to "wearer of snow shoes") white man used it as a negative word. It was a derogatory term for some to use and hurtful to others.
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    And Indians that started this issue decade ago were upset when the Cleveland Indians were in the post-season and it upset a few that 'white people' were dressed up in Indian clothing banging drums. They felt 'white people' were mocking their culture.

    this to be personally is ridiculous. Other 'white people' or Indians could dress up in the culture of my own and I would feel proud. I suppose Germans should ban everything that is not german for celebrating in costume during Octoberfest. Or black people or indians should never dress in costume of Abraham Lincoln during American plays.


    There is a black lady in Winnipeg during the NHL playoffs complaining the term 'WHITE OUT' as being racist to black people. Now she doesn't care about Asians or the Indians. Just the black people. She believes its a threatening image of people dressed in white using the term 'WHITE OUT' when other people of color are in attendance.

    When the strong makes dumb decisions like changing a name. All it does is weaken itself so the weak minded gain strength to create social distress. Enough with this BS. Its time Canada has a Donald Trump that speaks for the people of Canada and not just for the voters of their party in Canada.

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    Not it is not racist.

    Is calling Inuits Indians racist? or Natives?

    Go understand the history of 'Eskimos' Its not racist. When you visit the USA and they call you 'Eskimo' is it racist? Its not racist when the other people do not know the true origin of the person or the term 'eskimos'

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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    The minute those to the north are offended by the term "Eskimos" then change it. Do not change it because someone not in those communities are offended for them.

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    I will assist your uneducated knowledge on this issue. The term 'eskimo' is about racist as calling someone ''are you Joe?'' when their name is Bob.




    The term 'Eskimos' was a term used just like how Americans refer to as the uneducated people of the few towards people like myself and majority of tourists. They would call their neighbors 'Eskimos'. The term officially was given by Algonquin Tribes thousands of years ago that originated from where Maryland in the USA to where Colorado is today up to Alberta. Majority of those tribes ended up in New York-Vermont-Quebec.

    Due to ongoing tensions between multiple tribes. The Inuit disagreed on many issues including how they should support their own tribe. They were viewed as inferior in many ways. The other tribes gained strength due to their 'people skills' they would make deals with the europeans. Manitoba and Ontario tribes were growing in numbers and when the northern tribe tried to conduct business they did not state their official business and origin. They came laced in snowshoes and were assisted with Huskies. The other tribes referred to them as Eskimos. Slang used by certain people when looked a certain way.

    Much later in time alternative tribes confused them from another tribe of 'eaters of raw meat' (like big deal what babies) During the time the Inuits were known to be unstable and not self-sufficient like the others they came up with another name for themselves. That name I do not recall but it only lasted a short while. They were also being overrun by the Alaska and where Idaho is today tribe. They were known as the Paleos. This tribe called themselves Eskimos when in Canada because they initially had a larger tribe generations prior with a tribe that later became 'Inuit'

    Generations later someone from the Inuit people proud of his/her heritage wanted to falsify their own people and not be confused with other Inuits from Greenland and other parts of Canada. They claimed that they were being picked on (which was not true) so they could gain statuses within the Canadian government during a time our Liberal Government was handing out free meal tickets for other Indigenous tribes. They claimed they were being mistreated by 'white people' in the early 1900's(when white people were never involved) They never mentioned they just had disagreements with other tribes (cause that would make them look bad)

    So they made a deal with the Canadian Government and part of the deal was to make the 'Inuit' term official and Eskimos not part of their name. Canadian government does not recognize that term no longer. Also part of the deal was to put their history in School History books and also a place in multiple museums across Canada.


    This is the actual history of the term 'ESKIMOS' and the behavior of the 'INUIT' people. The term 'ESKIMOS' being labelled as racist is nowhere near the definition of racism and in no way is like any such other historical significance with cultural or religion significance tied with the term 'racism' of any people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks4ever View Post
    The minute those to the north are offended by the term "Eskimos" then change it. Do not change it because someone not in those communities are offended for them.
    you can't even do that because most of them do not even know their own true cultures history. They do not know the term eskimo existed among their own people and why it was offensive.
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimos View Post
    And Indians that started this issue decade ago were upset when the Cleveland Indians were in the post-season and it upset a few that 'white people' were dressed up in Indian clothing banging drums. They felt 'white people' were mocking their culture.

    this to be personally is ridiculous. Other 'white people' or Indians could dress up in the culture of my own and I would feel proud. I suppose Germans should ban everything that is not german for celebrating in costume during Octoberfest. Or black people or indians should never dress in costume of Abraham Lincoln during American plays.


    There is a black lady in Winnipeg during the NHL playoffs complaining the term 'WHITE OUT' as being racist to black people. Now she doesn't care about Asians or the Indians. Just the black people. She believes its a threatening image of people dressed in white using the term 'WHITE OUT' when other people of color are in attendance.

    When the strong makes dumb decisions like changing a name. All it does is weaken itself so the weak minded gain strength to create social distress. Enough with this BS. Its time Canada has a Donald Trump that speaks for the people of Canada and not just for the voters of their party in Canada.

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    We can not forget the term 'ESKIMO' is not racist.

    The 'N' word is racist. It should not be used by whites, blacks, asians, etc Because the term was created to demean a race.

    The term 'ESKIMO' was created by people for their own people. And it being used incorrectly does not make it racist. The northern natives can refer themselves
    as Eskimos and be socially acceptable (even though they not knowingly might not be Eskimos)

    Just because there are so many tribes and thousands of years ago one tribe on their own did not want to be associated with another tribe does not make it racist.



    EASY SOLUTION FOR THE ESKIMOS




    EDMONTON ESKIMOS should release a statement that they are known as the EDMONTON ESKIMOS because they are honoring the PALEO ESKIMOS of Alaska. And they could do pregame and halftime celebrations. This would pis
    s off the INUIT people of Canada and soon they would reconsider and call themselves eskimos just to take part and be acknowledged
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimos View Post
    I will assist your uneducated knowledge on this issue. The term 'eskimo' is about racist as calling someone ''are you Joe?'' when their name is Bob.




    The term 'Eskimos' was a term used just like how Americans refer to as the uneducated people of the few towards people like myself and majority of tourists. They would call their neighbors 'Eskimos'. The term officially was given by Algonquin Tribes thousands of years ago that originated from where Maryland in the USA to where Colorado is today up to Alberta. Majority of those tribes ended up in New York-Vermont-Quebec.

    Due to ongoing tensions between multiple tribes. The Inuit disagreed on many issues including how they should support their own tribe. They were viewed as inferior in many ways. The other tribes gained strength due to their 'people skills' they would make deals with the europeans. Manitoba and Ontario tribes were growing in numbers and when the northern tribe tried to conduct business they did not state their official business and origin. They came laced in snowshoes and were assisted with Huskies. The other tribes referred to them as Eskimos. Slang used by certain people when looked a certain way.

    Much later in time alternative tribes confused them from another tribe of 'eaters of raw meat' (like big deal what babies) During the time the Inuits were known to be unstable and not self-sufficient like the others they came up with another name for themselves. That name I do not recall but it only lasted a short while. They were also being overrun by the Alaska and where Idaho is today tribe. They were known as the Paleos. This tribe called themselves Eskimos when in Canada because they initially had a larger tribe generations prior with a tribe that later became 'Inuit'

    Generations later someone from the Inuit people proud of his/her heritage wanted to falsify their own people and not be confused with other Inuits from Greenland and other parts of Canada. They claimed that they were being picked on (which was not true) so they could gain statuses within the Canadian government during a time our Liberal Government was handing out free meal tickets for other Indigenous tribes. They claimed they were being mistreated by 'white people' in the early 1900's(when white people were never involved) They never mentioned they just had disagreements with other tribes (cause that would make them look bad)

    So they made a deal with the Canadian Government and part of the deal was to make the 'Inuit' term official and Eskimos not part of their name. Canadian government does not recognize that term no longer. Also part of the deal was to put their history in School History books and also a place in multiple museums across Canada.


    This is the actual history of the term 'ESKIMOS' and the behavior of the 'INUIT' people. The term 'ESKIMOS' being labelled as racist is nowhere near the definition of racism and in no way is like any such other historical significance with cultural or religion significance tied with the term 'racism' of any people.

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    you can't even do that because most of them do not even know their own true cultures history. They do not know the term eskimo existed among their own people and why it was offensive.

    Sounds like you view it equivalent to an adjective - just a description, like fat, thin, ugly or similar - despite the pejorative elements that you note above that were ascribed to the people historically with that name.

    You have a narrow lens of what people should and shouldn't be offended by, and it appears greatly influenced by so-called "white privilege". It's easy to say that the use of Cleveland Indians or Edmonton Germans is non-offensive and no one should have any right to be offended, when you're coming from a place where you have never had to be offended by being called "white" - either because it wasn't an intended pejorative, or that you were so comfortably in the majority as to render it ineffective.

    Cultural appropriation doesn't have to be just about using offensive stereotypes and images to be wrong. It can be the taking of or use of cultural aspects that are not yours to use or own, and while the legal rights can be one thing, there are other considerations too.

    In fairness, the EEFC has, for quite some time, moved well away from images associated with Inuit peoples - but just look at some old football game programs from the 1950s to know that it was there.

    I share the view that this isn't an issue that should be "white-splained"... either by those demanding change, or those that are trying to preach what anyone can and should be offended by. I hope that the EEFC continues to gather first-hand information through their involvement in Northern communities, and I think it would be well received if, independently of this name debate, they factored some sports-related programs in those communities into the division of funds from 50/50 proceeds.

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    Was not aware that the team trademarked Edmonton Empire recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Was not aware that the team trademarked Edmonton Empire recently.

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    If they ever changed the name to Empire i would not renew my season tickets and its another reason to have issues with liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Was not aware that the team trademarked Edmonton Empire recently.

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    Though it's a sign that some consideration has been given, I wouldn't say it suggests anything more than prudent contingency planning.

    There are groups who are out there looking for things to copyright and later sell for a profit. As soon as there was any thought that the team name could become the Edmonton Empire the responsible thing to do would be to copyright protect it to prevent someone doing this and holding the team ransom at a later date for a large sum of money.

    Furthermore, with marketing campaigns already in play, it was a way to protect someone trying to put a wrench into your marketing.
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    EDMONTON ESKIMOS - honoring the Alaskan tribe. I love this idea. I'm going to let the EEFC know they should do this. I'm sure the Eskimo tribe would appreciate it. Forget the inuit people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimos View Post
    If they ever changed the name to Empire i would not renew my season tickets and its another reason to have issues with liberals.
    To continue with your leaning towards stereotyping, I have issues with conservatives who do not renew season tickets because they believe in caging babies, eliminating heath care for the less wealthy and cannot spell hamburger.

    After reading the previous post, I must include their tendency to exclude those that don't agree with them.
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by 56Parkies View Post
    Empire is a terrible name. How do the players refer to themselves? "Once an Empirer always an Empirer"?

    It's not as simple as changing the letterhead here. So many ties to the history of the club go away, such as the Fight Song, the "Once an Eskimo..." and more. You dont just change a name of something as tenured as a 70+ year professional sports team and sort everything else out later.
    I've been vocal on Twitter if they do change name it should be to the Elks, not Empire. You keep the EE logo and honour Edmonton football history.
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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blogger Avry View Post
    I've been vocal on Twitter if they do change name it should be to the Elks, not Empire. You keep the EE logo and honour Edmonton football history.
    This would be infinitely better than Empire !!
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    This call for name change from our beloved Eskimos absolutely makes me sick,it has been perfectly fine for the first 70 + years why must it be a big problem now?Just "LEAVE THE DAMN NAME ALONE" sports it totally turning me off more and more each day and I used to be a DIEHARD fan of all major sports and now I am finding myself watch less sports day by day and this name change just might be the final straw to stop watching all sports .Society today is a major concern.Any chance if they must change it can we not be the Edmonton Esks or is that improper too?

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    Re: What's with this One Empire business?

    Quote Originally Posted by dealerd View Post
    This call for name change from our beloved Eskimos absolutely makes me sick,it has been perfectly fine for the first 70 + years why must it be a big problem now?Just "LEAVE THE DAMN NAME ALONE" sports it totally turning me off more and more each day and I used to be a DIEHARD fan of all major sports and now I am finding myself watch less sports day by day and this name change just might be the final straw to stop watching all sports .Society today is a major concern.Any chance if they must change it can we not be the Edmonton Esks or is that improper too?
    Have to say that out of the numerous alternate suggestions my preference so far would be Esks over Empire or Elks (assuming that the Inuit are not offended by the term Esks). My preference would be to leave the name alone. This whole thread has got me wondering when should we consider a term offensive. It appears that there are some Inuit proud of the term and at the same time some that are offended by it. How many members of a society does it take before we should consider their feelings strongly enough to make a policy change in response? Would even one person be enough? Also apparently there is a group in Alaska that officially identify as Eskimo. I wonder how they would feel about all this talk from the Inuit identifying Eskimo as an offensive term. I'm only speculating but perhaps they would find all of the negative remarks by the Inuit surrounding the term Eskimo offensive. Clearly no easy answers here and as long as there is a vocal group (no matter how small) it will continue to be in the news. Anyways my 2 cents...hopefully I haven't offended anyone.
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