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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Yes, memorable times with Harper running things

    https://pressprogress.ca/101_scandal...nment_moments/
    There's never been a single government in this country in my lifetime that has not had a scandal. But they've never come more fast and furious than under Justin Trudeau. Harper made some bad moves, but JT couldn't carry his lunchbox.

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    So, now a 3rd ethics commissioner investigation against Justin Trudeau. I think it is pretty obvious that this guy just doesn't have any. Like Trump, he thinks the rules don't apply to him.

    He gives a $90 million contract to a charity he has ties to and that paid his mother and brother for speaking engagements. As a sole source contract.

    In next year's election, with a 50% debt to GDP ratio, high unemployment and our economy in need of rebuilding, I am by no means ruling out the possibility that, as bad as his campaign started, Peter MacKay will be Prime Minister at the end of it.

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    Yeah, this "public speaking for money" thing certainly brings about questions of ethics - how do you address it? I don't know if there is an easy fix. Let's not forget though that Stephen Harper currently gets 50k per speaking event at several events put on by O&G and other industries that benefited immensely from policies he put in place as PM. This is a tried and true thing for politicians, and something I don't personally agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Yeah, this "public speaking for money" thing certainly brings about questions of ethics - how do you address it? I don't know if there is an easy fix. Let's not forget though that Stephen Harper currently gets 50k per speaking event at several events put on by O&G and other industries that benefited immensely from policies he put in place as PM. This is a tried and true thing for politicians, and something I don't personally agree with.
    I have no problem with the PM's mom or brother getting paid to do speaking engagements. I have a huge problem with giving a sole source government contract for $90 million to the same charity. These ethical lapses from Trudeau are not a coincidence. There's a pattern there. I honestly do not think he's fit to be Prime Minister. We'd all be better off if Freeland was the PM instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I have no problem with the PM's mom or brother getting paid to do speaking engagements. I have a huge problem with giving a sole source government contract for $90 million to the same charity. These ethical lapses from Trudeau are not a coincidence. There's a pattern there. I honestly do not think he's fit to be Prime Minister. We'd all be better off if Freeland was the PM instead.
    Thanks for clarifying your position.
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    The Libs and Trudeau 100% deserve to be flogged over this WE thing.

    We have a huge government civil service totally unbelievable that they needed charity to handle this.

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    The leadership of all federal parties is a bit depressing too me. Trudeau in a perfect position to sail along for more years keeps shooting himself in the ass. None of the conservative leadership candidates are inspiring at all. Singh has had a few moments but some really bad ones as well, certainly he won't make anyone forget Jack Layton. Elizabeth May is on the way out but the Greens have done a poor job of seizing on weakness of other parties. I've heard almost nothing about their new leadership hopefuls.

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    Just learned that Erin O’Toole won the CPC leadership vote.

    Ummm. Wow. Was that really the best choice for the party? Is CPC trying to go GOP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    Just learned that Erin O’Toole won the CPC leadership vote.

    Ummm. Wow. Was that really the best choice for the party? Is CPC trying to go GOP?
    Not sure I would cast O'Toole in that light. But looking at how well the social conservative candidates Lewis and Sloan did you know who wears the pants in that party. Still.

    Were I a member I would have voted for MacKay, as I think he had the best shot of beating Trudeau, Canada's worst post-WWII PM.

    We will not see how broad the tent will actually be under O'Toole. He's likely got a year+ until we go to the polls.

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    I don't think the CPC wins much in the way of new votes, but will O'Toole be enough to get the Harper votes back? It will be an interesting year. I'm looking forward to hearing more from O'Toole (and less from Scheer). I'm curious to find out what sort of space he creates for himself in the year ahead.
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    ... and this is (one of the many reasons) why I don't vote Conservative. Same ****e; different hot head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    ... and this is (one of the many reasons) why I don't vote Conservative. Same ****e; different hot head.

    Maybe watch the clip. He's not saying what you say he's saying. At all. He's saying the money goes to wage subsidies, which pay people to stay employed, even if they aren't working, rather than disincentivising work a-la CERB. He's 100% right, and ask any emploiyer having trouble getting people to come back to work and you will find that out. CEWS was NOT a business or corporate bail out. The businesses HAD to spend the money on workers.

    It was the CEWS that saved the economy far more than the CERB, mate. O'Toole is only wrong in that he isn't giving Trudeau credit for spening more on CEWS
    he did on CERB. This is why CERB is ending now and CEWS is extended to the end of the year. The idea that it ALL should have been CEWS isn't really that bad of an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    Maybe watch the clip. He's not saying what you say he's saying. At all. He's saying the money goes to wage subsidies, which pay people to stay employed, even if they aren't working, rather than disincentivising work a-la CERB. He's 100% right, and ask any emploiyer having trouble getting people to come back to work and you will find that out. CEWS was NOT a business or corporate bail out. The businesses HAD to spend the money on workers.

    It was the CEWS that saved the economy far more than the CERB, mate. O'Toole is only wrong in that he isn't giving Trudeau credit for spening more on CEWS
    he did on CERB. This is why CERB is ending now and CEWS is extended to the end of the year. The idea that it ALL should have been CEWS isn't really that bad of an idea.
    I agree CEWS saved the economy, but CERB saved the people when they needed it. For him to suggest that they "created the CERB early" says he knows nothing about people living paycheque to paycheque. Lots of jobs were basically eliminated for months. My employer had ZERO revenue for 2 months. There was absolutely zero money to pay me 25% of my wage. This holds true in a number of industries.

    Very easy for this guy to make the suggestions he does after the fact. Every country was flying by the seat of their pants in dealing with this. I shudder to think what the Conservatives would have REALLY done in the same situation. I am quite happy with how it all turned out. Thank you Prime Minister Trudeau.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    I agree CEWS saved the economy, but CERB saved the people when they needed it. For him to suggest that they "created the CERB early" says he knows nothing about people living paycheque to paycheque. Lots of jobs were basically eliminated for months. My employer had ZERO revenue for 2 months. There was absolutely zero money to pay me 25% of my wage. This holds true in a number of industries.

    Very easy for this guy to make the suggestions he does after the fact. Every country was flying by the seat of their pants in dealing with this. I shudder to think what the Conservatives would have REALLY done in the same situation. I am quite happy with how it all turned out. Thank you Prime Minister Trudeau.
    I think the direness and uncertainty at the time begs a little forgiveness if they didn't get it perfect. They do need to figure out the best way to move on from it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    I think the direness and uncertainty at the time begs a little forgiveness if they didn't get it perfect. They do need to figure out the best way to move on from it though.
    THAT I can agree with. O'Toole isn't wrong, in my view. But he's not taking the rapid onset of the issue into account. I do totally think he is right, though. The money ends up in workers hands both ways, but one makes it easier to transition back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    I think the direness and uncertainty at the time begs a little forgiveness if they didn't get it perfect. They do need to figure out the best way to move on from it though.
    Yeah, totally agree. Scary part is, we haven't fully moved on from it yet. Still uncertain times ahead - although hopefully not anywhere as bad as that first wave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Yeah, totally agree. Scary part is, we haven't fully moved on from it yet. Still uncertain times ahead - although hopefully not anywhere as bad as that first wave.
    Certainly. In my opinion, what's different now is that government's worldwide should be better positioned to make informed decisions if it gets out of hand again, and medical professionals are also likely positioned to understand how it works to have a better chance to treat a patient successfully. But by all means these numbers still have a lot of room to blow up further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Yeah, totally agree. Scary part is, we haven't fully moved on from it yet. Still uncertain times ahead - although hopefully not anywhere as bad as that first wave.
    My wife Works at the Casino here and they may be closed 1 1/2 to 2 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    Certainly. In my opinion, what's different now is that government's worldwide should be better positioned to make informed decisions if it gets out of hand again, and medical professionals are also likely positioned to understand how it works to have a better chance to treat a patient successfully. But by all means these numbers still have a lot of room to blow up further.
    Yes, they can follow the lead of Sweden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danlaurin View Post
    My wife Works at the Casino here and they may be closed 1 1/2 to 2 years.
    Wow. That is terrible. That's gotta sting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks1975 View Post
    Yes, they can follow the lead of Sweden.
    Why, so we can have more deaths? Sweden has about 28% of Canada's population but 64% of Canada's total cases and 63% of Canada's COVID deaths. They weren't a model of how to tackle this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    Why, so we can have more deaths? Sweden has about 28% of Canada's population but 64% of Canada's total cases and 63% of Canada's COVID deaths. They weren't a model of how to tackle this.
    Why, because they have the similar results to New York state without the draconian measures that destroy peoples businesses and negatively impact young peoples education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks1975 View Post
    Why, because they have the similar results to New York state without the draconian measures that destroy peoples businesses and negatively impact young peoples education.
    Nice relative fallacy. So, because New York and Sweden both FAILED, we should follow Sweden's example. Um...NO! But hey, money is more imprtant than lives, right?

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    Sweden is not failing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks1975 View Post
    Sweden is not failing now.
    Their dead have not come back to life, mate. Dead is kind of permenent. But hey, cash rules, right?

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    Thats right, close down the world because.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks1975 View Post
    Thats right, close down the world because.
    The world didn't "close down", pal. The worst of the lockdown was less than 2 months, and still left vast swaths of our economy open to one degree or another. And it wasn't just for funzies. It saved lives. Profits can be made back. Businesses can be rebuilt. Dead people don't come back to life.

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    NM
    Last edited by Esks1975; 09-02-2020 at 11:19 PM.

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