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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19


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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post

    I totally get the reasoning for judging coaches on the record/performance - it's a results based business. That said, when other football people continue to see good in the work you do and respect you, those sort of coaches will tend to land on their feet. I'm not saying that all loyalty extended to guys is 100% deserved - there are mis-reads from time to time, but it is always interesting to me to see how other football people see coaches like these.

    Make no mistake, the results on Esks' STs were not good enough, and I'm not second guessing that changes were made... I'm just saying that it doesn't mean that the coaches working on it were morons.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Bombers release veteran linebacker Ian Wild

    The fallout from the Winnipeg Blue Bombers big signing of star linebacker Adam Bighill continued Thursday when the club released veteran linebacker Ian Wild.

    Wild played six seasons for the Bombers, recording 245 defensive tackles, 60 special teams tackles and eight sacks.

    Wild was released a week after the Bombers released veteran cornerback Chris Randle in a move to free up money for their signing of Bighill.

    Bighill was signed to a three-year contract worth a reported $775,000 earlier this week.

    Wild was a starter in 2013, 2014 and 2016, but has mostly been used a special teamer the last two seasons.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Well this certainly handcuffs the Riders...


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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    The Football Scoop is reporting that Turk Schonert has passed away at age sixty two. Recently coached with the Als as a consultant brought in to help QB Troy Smith and also helped with the receivers.
    Had a nine year career as an NFL QB and then was QB coach with five different NFL teams as well as OC for the Bills.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Well this certainly handcuffs the Riders...


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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    https://3downnation.com/2019/01/18/c...ague-revenues/

    Drew Edwards with a CBA relevant article suggesting players making only 22% of league revenues. Which may be alarming next to the other big leagues that pay 46-50% to players.

    Comments:
    1) his % is low, as he isn't including the portion of player salaries not on the cap - IR players can add in excess of a million dollars to a teams player expenses.

    2) we can spot check his figures against public statements from Edmonton and Winnipeg.
    > Edmonton paid 51% of it's revenue to "Football Operations", and more specifically 36% to "Players and Coaches" in 2017
    > Winnipeg paid 36% of it's revenue to "Football Operations" in 2017 - no breakdown by Players, but guessing using the Edmonton ratio it'd be ~26% of revenues to "Players and Coaches". Their number is a lot lower, as they have higher revenues, with extra revenue from Stadium management.

    3) Can the CFL afford to share more?
    >Over the past two years Edmonton has boasted an average profit of under a $1M. So while breaking even they could possibly share revenue at maybe 38%.
    >Over the past two years Winnipeg has lost a little bit of money (one big profit followed by a loss). They are paying for that stadium and incur huge expenses to pay down their contribution. They would have lost even more money at a higher cap.

    4) I imagine these are two of the higher revenue based franchises in the league, and they don't exactly support healthy player raises based on their finances. Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver would have significantly lower revenues with their depressed gate numbers. CFL shared money (TV) only makes up 13% (WPG) and 17% (EDM) of their revenue stream - still teams dependent on the gate.
    CFL will need to grow bigger revenue bases to share (Ambroise's big plan), and/or franchises will have to scale back other areas to afford any increase that comes on a new CBA.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Well this certainly handcuffs the Riders...


    Oye, nothing like flipping the bird to the city on your way out of town.
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Riders have cancelled their scheduled tryout camps except for tomorrow's. A couple of day's ago there several listed . Saying it was due to a coaching change and a new schedule for tryouts will be considered into March and April.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Bombers release veteran linebacker Ian Wild

    The fallout from the Winnipeg Blue Bombers big signing of star linebacker Adam Bighill continued Thursday when the club released veteran linebacker Ian Wild.

    Wild played six seasons for the Bombers, recording 245 defensive tackles, 60 special teams tackles and eight sacks.

    Wild was released a week after the Bombers released veteran cornerback Chris Randle in a move to free up money for their signing of Bighill.

    Bighill was signed to a three-year contract worth a reported $775,000 earlier this week.

    Wild was a starter in 2013, 2014 and 2016, but has mostly been used a special teamer the last two seasons.

    https://winnipegsun.com/sports/footb...acker-ian-wild
    I think releasing Wild was as much a football decision as an economic decision, maybe moreso. Staying healthy has been an issue over his 6 years as he's played only 67 games while missing 41. He suited up 15 times last year matching his previous career high only accomplished back in his rookie season. In the 4 years between those bookends he missed 4 games, 12 games, 6 games and 13 games respectively. Sooner or later a team has to move on from a player they cannot rely on to be available to play. I think the Bombers had reached that point even without the Bighill deal. Similar to the King release as a pending FA it gives him a head start on landing a new gig if he wants to continue playing.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by turftoe27 View Post
    Riders have cancelled their scheduled tryout camps except for tomorrow's. A couple of day's ago there several listed . Saying it was due to a coaching change and a new schedule for tryouts will be considered into March and April.
    The number of camps Jones ran and the timing of them never made a lot of sense to me. The whole offseason seemed to be a never-ending Rider tryout camp under Jones. He'd run 3 or 4 in December when college seniors are still either bowl bound, writing exams or both and fringe NFLers are thinking more about getting NFL tryouts or a new NFL contract. There has to be a sweet spot in the cost/benefit rationale where a team stops getting value if they run too many. Quantity doesn't necessarily provide quality. Maybe he just wanted to spend his winters in a warmer place than Regina and do it on the club's tab?

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Looks like Arash made stuff up... again


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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer24 View Post
    I think releasing Wild was as much a football decision as an economic decision, maybe moreso. Staying healthy has been an issue over his 6 years as he's played only 67 games while missing 41. He suited up 15 times last year matching his previous career high only accomplished back in his rookie season. In the 4 years between those bookends he missed 4 games, 12 games, 6 games and 13 games respectively. Sooner or later a team has to move on from a player they cannot rely on to be available to play. I think the Bombers had reached that point even without the Bighill deal. Similar to the King release as a pending FA it gives him a head start on landing a new gig if he wants to continue playing.
    I think you're right. As a veteran guy that had previous NFL gigs, he wasn't likely cheap when he returned, and if he'd been reduced to a backup and ST role for the most part, that contract becomes tougher to justify. The health would have only exacerbated that. Easier to justify with a player like Konar or Colquhoun, who are still earlier in their career, and theoretically should heal faster, (and Canadian) but it's tougher when you're at a position like that.

    Ian is a cerebral player (a financial planner in the off-season) and a leader in the room, but the re-upping of Bighill is going to tick off most of the same boxes, with some additional ones as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer24 View Post
    The number of camps Jones ran and the timing of them never made a lot of sense to me. The whole offseason seemed to be a never-ending Rider tryout camp under Jones. He'd run 3 or 4 in December when college seniors are still either bowl bound, writing exams or both and fringe NFLers are thinking more about getting NFL tryouts or a new NFL contract. There has to be a sweet spot in the cost/benefit rationale where a team stops getting value if they run too many. Quantity doesn't necessarily provide quality. Maybe he just wanted to spend his winters in a warmer place than Regina and do it on the club's tab?
    I know at least one team, historically, would use these as a chance to line the pockets of coaches/scouts putting on the camps, as the fees paid by players would largely go right into their pockets. I don't think that the practice would be as common today, as I think the camps are taken a lot more seriously than they once were, but if a guy has a relatively unlimited budget for this stuff and is happiest when he's doing these things, it isn't surprising that they'd schedule a ton of them. I would agree that they were potentially far down the curve on diminishing returns, but the sacrifices made to put them on are in the eye of the beholder (time away from family, spending the organization's money, time away from other duties, etc).

    With regard to the Riders coaching staff, whether 1-year or 2-year contracts, it will present yet another complication and potential unintended consequence of the Football Ops cap, as those contracts are guaranteed and it seems to be the belief, would count against the cap even if a guy is fired. While the cap, and the limit on bodies, will mean less overall jobs, the costliness of firing someone and having to replace them within the confines of the cap, would certainly seem to suggest that there is more job security for those with jobs.

    Interesting to compare the circumstances of the coaches and those of the players. Coaches get guaranteed contracts, health coverage, and generally, the ability to get out of their contract if a better offer comes along. The players can be cut with no more than an apple and a roadmap through the first half of the season, limited health coverage (in terms of duration), and are locked into their contracts even when other opportunities arise. Not unique to the CFL - it's more of a football thing in general.

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    This whole ops cap just baffles me. I can understand the need but it just seems really low to me both in salary and number of staff. Hopefully it changes next season.
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    I would hope the Eskimos would do the same if they come calling for Lolley. I honestly believe in giving your staff every opportunity to advance in the business, but based on the timing, it would just hurt your own football club too much.
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    Might the same issue affect their wanting to interview Lolley?
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by glenvb View Post
    Might the same issue affect their wanting to interview Lolley?
    Yeah, probably...
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenvb View Post
    Might the same issue affect their wanting to interview Lolley?
    I'm sure the league will find a way to fine us, lose a draft pick and have to play 8 Thursday evening games at home, for not letting lolly interview..

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    I'm sure the league will find a way to fine us, lose a draft pick and have to play 8 Thursday evening games at home, for not letting lolly interview..

    lol
    Wellll....they spotted the Esks one by not doing anything after Brock’s comments (which previous commissioners would say “undermined the league”), so it’s open season. Should be interesting!

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Brock is on record as saying that he won’t hold anyone back if they have a chance to better themselves. He said that that he was once not allowed to try to advance his own situation and it was a bad feeling that he won’t do someone else. I respect him for that.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by eskfan152 View Post
    Brock is on record as saying that he won’t hold anyone back if they have a chance to better themselves. He said that that he was once not allowed to try to advance his own situation and it was a bad feeling that he won’t do someone else. I respect him for that.
    sure... but he's got to realize it'll set HIS own team back.. sometimes you have to be the villain.

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    Well after Ottawa and Winnipeg denied sask, when we deny em.. They can't do a think..

    It's almost Feb.. Far to late to be looking for staff especially hc now...

    I think they are being really nieve.. They should promote Dickenson even if its a 1 year deal.. U still have to find a dc though

    The fact that they are eying lapo and elizondo is ludicrous to me.. They have an offensive coordinator... Means ur still looking for another coach to run the defence

    Sask are just stupid..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    Wellll....they spotted the Esks one by not doing anything after Brock’s comments (which previous commissioners would say “undermined the league”), so it’s open season. Should be interesting!
    I think if we didn't send anyone but the fact that Jones didn't attend and we sent representatives really nullified thst situation... I think if we had sent no one we would have been in trouble lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskfan152 View Post
    Brock is on record as saying that he won’t hold anyone back if they have a chance to better themselves. He said that that he was once not allowed to try to advance his own situation and it was a bad feeling that he won’t do someone else. I respect him for that.
    Not this time of year with a guy u have just hired... Especially after the riders are being turned down. By others.. Just say no

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Sask are just stupid..
    ...or perhaps desperate?
    Out of my mind; back in five minutes.

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    It’s not too late right now to lose your co-ordinator. It’s only January. There’s scouting ongoing, but Senior Bowl is only next week & free agency hasn’t started yet. Open tryouts aren’t for a few weeks, and mini-camps usually are after those. This is more like people trying to stick it to Sask & possibly to their own detriment.

    Karma is funny, right? Sask doesn’t deserve anything handed to them on a silver platter, but the teams denying their co-ordinators an opportunity are creating a sticky situation for themselves.... unless those individuals weren’t interested & then they can hide behind the cover of team non-permission.

    However, LaPolice went on the radio last week & stated his interest, he can’t be too impressed.

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    IF it was any other team besides the Whiners I wonder if the other teams would have allowed them to interview... Given the fact that Sask screwed Ottawa out of their namesake I don't see them wanting to do the Whiners any favors. Same thing with pretty much any other team in the League. Riders have been dicking everyone else around for years and it is finally catching up to them.
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    So, wondering what Ed Hervey would do out in BC if Saskatchewan asked for permission to speak to Stubler or Jarious Jackson? Considering what they did to his staff prior to Grey Cup 2015, you think he'd be receptive about helping them out with their coaching situation? Does he let bygones be bygones or does he tell them to stick it?
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