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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Eskimos were covered on a different thread, so today, we take a look at Montreal's (some would say "lack of") depth chart





    https://www.cfl.ca/2019/05/16/off-se...eal-alouettes/
    With depth that thin, even GWN is gonna have a tough time finding anything meaningful to say about them...
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    Great guy, but just too injury prone.
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Eskimos were covered on a different thread, so today, we take a look at Montreal's (some would say "lack of") depth chart





    https://www.cfl.ca/2019/05/16/off-se...eal-alouettes/
    Anybody hear what's up with Adarius Bowman. Did he retire or is he waiting for an opportunity that might come up later in the year as a result of injuries?
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by OK14 View Post
    With depth that thin, even GWN is gonna have a tough time finding anything meaningful to say about them...
    Wanna bet?

    I view their roster as a pretty big improvement from last year.

    Start with the Canadian depth... 4 starters on the O-Line, including "fake Canadian" Tyler Johnstone at RT and the addition of Spencer Wilson from the Stamps. They add Loffley at Safety, which few will dispute as putting them near the top end for the position, and have Henoc Muamba at MAC where they're solid. They add Bo Lokombo from BC and he's atop the depth chart at WIL, which could possibly make for an interesting trade destination for Konar if the Esks are not finding schemes where he'll be able to contribute. They have a little depth at a Cdn FB spot in certain sets, including ex-Esk Normand, but I'm not convinced that Faubert-Lussier or Stephen Adekolu could cobble together a starting WR spot if necessary. Aside from Lokombo, who's still a little unproven but talented, they've got 6 very solid starting positions to build from.

    I think their receiving corps, as thin as it is with Canadians, is poised to surprise a lot of people if someone emerges at QB. The addition of Posey to Geno Lewis, BJ Cunningham, TJ Graham and Ernest Jackson gives them a solid group, a few of which are likely somewhat under-appreciated due to the aura that's surrounded the Als for a few years.

    QB seems to be a position of addition by subtraction. Pipkin is a guy that few around the league would turn down for their rosters based on a limited sample size, but he'll have to prove he can be a consistent starter. Shiltz is a guy that beat out Pipken at camp last year, causing him to be released outright. Jeff Matthews could provide some veteran presence having been around and played behind Ricky Ray and Jeremiah Masoli, and Vern Adams becomes a lot more valuable, at least as a package player, if he can now count against the ratio as well (unclear if that will have to be as a #2 QB, or if the #3 spot will also count).

    When Sutton was traded last year, it was stated by the Als that it was, in part, due to their comfort with the emergence of Stanback. While Jeremiah Johnson is perhaps a little one-dimensional (as Smartie alludes to in another post), he's got a CFL resume as a time-sharing RB.

    I don't think there defensive line is a position of strength, with all due respect to the ageless wonder, John Bowman and veteran Gabe Knapton... but it's likely one of the easier positions to find upgrades at, and I'm interested to see whether Bo Banner can continue to emerge - he was the guy that really stood out to me at the combine last year and I would have loved to see us draft as depth behind Boateng. I like their LB corps a lot, with the two Canadians, a returnee in Glenn Love and the addition of Patrick Levels from Calgary. Secondary is a bit of a mixed bag, with some veteran presence and some younger guys I'm not very familiar with. I've tried, without success, to find out the status of Mitchell White, who went down with a scary injury in July of last year - not on the roster, and kind of guessing that, at 29, he may be done with football.

    Other than Mike Sherman (who really seems to hate having his picture taken... maybe because of the video TSN got of him fighting with his headset last year) and OC, Khari Jones, I challenge anyone to name one member of their coaching staff without looking. I then challenge you to recognize one of their names, even when looking (okay - Andre Bolduc is a former Esk and CIS HC, but otherwise...). If they have success that is brought on by their coaching staff, it won't be due to following the traditional path of CFL experienced guys.

    I have to believe that the Als continue to move forward and get better... that bar hasn't been set too high. Presuming that they've got some cap room to add a few guys, while many other teams have already spent their money, it could be a good position as some guys shake loose from the NFL.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Anybody hear what's up with Adarius Bowman. Did he retire or is he waiting for an opportunity that might come up later in the year as a result of injuries?
    He hasn’t officially retired.

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    I'm with you there GWN re: the Larks. When I first looked at their roster initial reaction was that it looks pretty damned solid. 4 starting NATs on OL and 3 on D. Lots of room for INT skill in the skill positions. Biggest question mark of course is at QB.

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    He hasn’t officially retired.
    I think he dropped the announcement.

    Sorry. Just couldn't let that slide by.

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    ^ On a more serious note, AB just tweeted that he's looking for a rental in Edmonton, starting at the end of May. (Can't embed from my phone...)
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Bryant Mitchell signed with Tampa Bay fyi
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by OK14 View Post
    ^ On a more serious note, AB just tweeted that he's looking for a rental in Edmonton, starting at the end of May. (Can't embed from my phone...)

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post
    Wanna bet?

    I view their roster as a pretty big improvement from last year.

    Start with the Canadian depth... 4 starters on the O-Line, including "fake Canadian" Tyler Johnstone at RT and the addition of Spencer Wilson from the Stamps. They add Loffley at Safety, which few will dispute as putting them near the top end for the position, and have Henoc Muamba at MAC where they're solid. They add Bo Lokombo from BC and he's atop the depth chart at WIL, which could possibly make for an interesting trade destination for Konar if the Esks are not finding schemes where he'll be able to contribute. They have a little depth at a Cdn FB spot in certain sets, including ex-Esk Normand, but I'm not convinced that Faubert-Lussier or Stephen Adekolu could cobble together a starting WR spot if necessary. Aside from Lokombo, who's still a little unproven but talented, they've got 6 very solid starting positions to build from.

    I think their receiving corps, as thin as it is with Canadians, is poised to surprise a lot of people if someone emerges at QB. The addition of Posey to Geno Lewis, BJ Cunningham, TJ Graham and Ernest Jackson gives them a solid group, a few of which are likely somewhat under-appreciated due to the aura that's surrounded the Als for a few years.

    QB seems to be a position of addition by subtraction. Pipkin is a guy that few around the league would turn down for their rosters based on a limited sample size, but he'll have to prove he can be a consistent starter. Shiltz is a guy that beat out Pipken at camp last year, causing him to be released outright. Jeff Matthews could provide some veteran presence having been around and played behind Ricky Ray and Jeremiah Masoli, and Vern Adams becomes a lot more valuable, at least as a package player, if he can now count against the ratio as well (unclear if that will have to be as a #2 QB, or if the #3 spot will also count).

    When Sutton was traded last year, it was stated by the Als that it was, in part, due to their comfort with the emergence of Stanback. While Jeremiah Johnson is perhaps a little one-dimensional (as Smartie alludes to in another post), he's got a CFL resume as a time-sharing RB.

    I don't think there defensive line is a position of strength, with all due respect to the ageless wonder, John Bowman and veteran Gabe Knapton... but it's likely one of the easier positions to find upgrades at, and I'm interested to see whether Bo Banner can continue to emerge - he was the guy that really stood out to me at the combine last year and I would have loved to see us draft as depth behind Boateng. I like their LB corps a lot, with the two Canadians, a returnee in Glenn Love and the addition of Patrick Levels from Calgary. Secondary is a bit of a mixed bag, with some veteran presence and some younger guys I'm not very familiar with. I've tried, without success, to find out the status of Mitchell White, who went down with a scary injury in July of last year - not on the roster, and kind of guessing that, at 29, he may be done with football.

    Other than Mike Sherman (who really seems to hate having his picture taken... maybe because of the video TSN got of him fighting with his headset last year) and OC, Khari Jones, I challenge anyone to name one member of their coaching staff without looking. I then challenge you to recognize one of their names, even when looking (okay - Andre Bolduc is a former Esk and CIS HC, but otherwise...). If they have success that is brought on by their coaching staff, it won't be due to following the traditional path of CFL experienced guys.

    I have to believe that the Als continue to move forward and get better... that bar hasn't been set too high. Presuming that they've got some cap room to add a few guys, while many other teams have already spent their money, it could be a good position as some guys shake loose from the NFL.
    Als brought in Bob Slowick to coach the defense. An NFL/NCAA veteran with ties to SHerman. But zero CFL experience. Between him, Sherman, and Khari Jones it is hard to have much faith in the Als coaching staff.
    The roster might be slightly ahead of where they were last year at this time, but it isn't saying much. Mainly that Pipkin has some promise.
    They boast probably the weakest receiver group in the league.
    It doesn't look like they've done anything to improve their DE position and will rely on a good, but aged John Bowman, and regressing Knapton.
    Mad scientist Reed also blew up their secondary, which he spent so much on in free agency last year. Tommie Campbell returns, and Loffler is a great addition, but they will have a couple rookies starting.
    They still employ Bede as a bad kicker, and Logan is pretty ancient for a return specialist.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    I'm not confident in Pipkin either. This season, opponents will have a book on him, and I didn't see an ability to "break" a book. I think it could be revolving chairs again at QB this season.

    Hope not. The league needs a strong team in Montreal, or at least a plausible one.
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by glenvb View Post
    I'm not confident in Pipkin either. This season, opponents will have a book on him, and I didn't see an ability to "break" a book. I think it could be revolving chairs again at QB this season.

    Hope not. The league needs a strong team in Montreal, or at least a plausible one.
    Pipkin is imho decent.. high ceiling.

    Gonna be bumpy .. but u gotta take lumps ...

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post
    Wanna bet?

    I view their roster as a pretty big improvement from last year.

    Start with the Canadian depth... 4 starters on the O-Line, including "fake Canadian" Tyler Johnstone at RT and the addition of Spencer Wilson from the Stamps. They add Loffley at Safety, which few will dispute as putting them near the top end for the position, and have Henoc Muamba at MAC where they're solid. They add Bo Lokombo from BC and he's atop the depth chart at WIL, which could possibly make for an interesting trade destination for Konar if the Esks are not finding schemes where he'll be able to contribute. They have a little depth at a Cdn FB spot in certain sets, including ex-Esk Normand, but I'm not convinced that Faubert-Lussier or Stephen Adekolu could cobble together a starting WR spot if necessary. Aside from Lokombo, who's still a little unproven but talented, they've got 6 very solid starting positions to build from.

    I think their receiving corps, as thin as it is with Canadians, is poised to surprise a lot of people if someone emerges at QB. The addition of Posey to Geno Lewis, BJ Cunningham, TJ Graham and Ernest Jackson gives them a solid group, a few of which are likely somewhat under-appreciated due to the aura that's surrounded the Als for a few years.

    QB seems to be a position of addition by subtraction. Pipkin is a guy that few around the league would turn down for their rosters based on a limited sample size, but he'll have to prove he can be a consistent starter. Shiltz is a guy that beat out Pipken at camp last year, causing him to be released outright. Jeff Matthews could provide some veteran presence having been around and played behind Ricky Ray and Jeremiah Masoli, and Vern Adams becomes a lot more valuable, at least as a package player, if he can now count against the ratio as well (unclear if that will have to be as a #2 QB, or if the #3 spot will also count).

    When Sutton was traded last year, it was stated by the Als that it was, in part, due to their comfort with the emergence of Stanback. While Jeremiah Johnson is perhaps a little one-dimensional (as Smartie alludes to in another post), he's got a CFL resume as a time-sharing RB.

    I don't think there defensive line is a position of strength, with all due respect to the ageless wonder, John Bowman and veteran Gabe Knapton... but it's likely one of the easier positions to find upgrades at, and I'm interested to see whether Bo Banner can continue to emerge - he was the guy that really stood out to me at the combine last year and I would have loved to see us draft as depth behind Boateng. I like their LB corps a lot, with the two Canadians, a returnee in Glenn Love and the addition of Patrick Levels from Calgary. Secondary is a bit of a mixed bag, with some veteran presence and some younger guys I'm not very familiar with. I've tried, without success, to find out the status of Mitchell White, who went down with a scary injury in July of last year - not on the roster, and kind of guessing that, at 29, he may be done with football.

    Other than Mike Sherman (who really seems to hate having his picture taken... maybe because of the video TSN got of him fighting with his headset last year) and OC, Khari Jones, I challenge anyone to name one member of their coaching staff without looking. I then challenge you to recognize one of their names, even when looking (okay - Andre Bolduc is a former Esk and CIS HC, but otherwise...). If they have success that is brought on by their coaching staff, it won't be due to following the traditional path of CFL experienced guys.

    I have to believe that the Als continue to move forward and get better... that bar hasn't been set too high. Presuming that they've got some cap room to add a few guys, while many other teams have already spent their money, it could be a good position as some guys shake loose from the NFL.
    Maybe Konar for Banner?
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Rolly cut out in bc... 11 year vet..

    Can’t pay everyone... gotta go young and cheap

    #mikereillyeffect

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Rolly cut out in bc... 11 year vet..

    Can’t pay everyone... gotta go young and cheap

    #mikereillyeffect
    Sometimes it’s younger, cheaper and possibly better/a better fit.

    Not everything is about Mike. Don’t forget - there’s an entirely new coaching staff looking at the roster with fresh eyes & that has no allegiances to any veteran players.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Rolly cut out in bc... 11 year vet..

    Can’t pay everyone... gotta go young and cheap

    #mikereillyeffect
    Took a look at Lionbackers, and the Leos fans are none too happy about Ed's treatment of the old guard. They appreciate the salary/youth aspect, but they're concerned about the leadership/culture aspect.
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by OK14 View Post
    Took a look at Lionbackers, and the Leos fans are none too happy about Ed's treatment of the old guard. They appreciate the salary/youth aspect, but they're concerned about the leadership/culture aspect.
    I remember last year talking about if Calvin McCarty wound up as a TC casualty and wondering how the fanbase would react if Brock pulled a similar move. There are a lot of parallels between Calvin & Rolly. It stings when a community oriented vet gets cut. I think in the Lions (and Hervey's) situation, this is a case of needing to do what is best for the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OK14 View Post
    Took a look at Lionbackers, and the Leos fans are none too happy about Ed's treatment of the old guard. They appreciate the salary/youth aspect, but they're concerned about the leadership/culture aspect.
    This Lionbacker has come to realize that GMs can't always do things in a manner or timeline that suits the player's best interest. If the could predict the future and all possible offseason moves and how the draft will unfold 5 months in advance it would be easy to let vets go back in January. If they could do that they should be working in Vegas and making a killing. In the case of Lumbala they just signed Boyko yesterday. Somebody had to be released to add him to the roster. If Boyko didn't suddenly turn up on the scene on the eve of camp then Lumbala is likely still on the team bus heading for Kamloops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    Sometimes it’s younger, cheaper and possibly better/a better fit.

    Not everything is about Mike. Don’t forget - there’s an entirely new coaching staff looking at the roster with fresh eyes & that has no allegiances to any veteran players.
    We know how having the most expensive qb in the league has its pros and cons.. we had years of lesser players of younger and cheaper because we had to find ways to pay reilly and the likes of jc and all the other vets.. it’s something the lions will have to get used to...

    Swings and roundabouts on everything, we know that u can never have your cake and eat it!

    But they have cut 2 veteran ‘names ‘ now right before camp.. that’s ****ty business and then thanked em on social medi! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    I remember last year talking about if Calvin McCarty wound up as a TC casualty and wondering how the fanbase would react if Brock pulled a similar move. There are a lot of parallels between Calvin & Rolly. It stings when a community oriented vet gets cut. I think in the Lions (and Hervey's) situation, this is a case of needing to do what is best for the team.

    There is a way to let go of an 11 year vet..

    I hope we show cmc a bit more when it’s his time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OK14 View Post
    Took a look at Lionbackers, and the Leos fans are none too happy about Ed's treatment of the old guard. They appreciate the salary/youth aspect, but they're concerned about the leadership/culture aspect.

    They will have to get used to younger guys stepping in.. reilly is makin 775 plus a year... for the next 3 years.. they just can’t pay everyone.. we know how this goes.. we have been through it... u except it cos it’s mike reilly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    We know how having the most expensive qb in the league has its pros and cons.. we had years of lesser players of younger and cheaper because we had to find ways to pay reilly and the likes of jc and all the other vets.. it’s something the lions will have to get used to...

    Swings and roundabouts on everything, we know that u can never have your cake and eat it!

    But they have cut 2 veteran ‘names ‘ now right before camp.. that’s ****ty business and then thanked em on social medi! lol

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    There is a way to let go of an 11 year vet..

    I hope we show cmc a bit more when it’s his time!

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    They will have to get used to younger guys stepping in.. reilly is makin 775 plus a year... for the next 3 years.. they just can’t pay everyone.. we know how this goes.. we have been through it... u except it cos it’s mike reilly!

    Still don’t think it’s all Mike Reilly-related. They signed Brett Boyko two days ago. He’s not cheap either.

    As for the class vs no class business.... it was hard to know what direction the CBA was going to ultimately go in. The cap not going up probably played into this, too.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    Still don’t think it’s all Mike Reilly-related. They signed Brett Boyko two days ago. He’s not cheap either.

    As for the class vs no class business.... it was hard to know what direction the CBA was going to ultimately go in. The cap not going up probably played into this, too.
    True, Maybe.. they have a ton of vets that had raised to! Like figs..

    Honestly reilly related or not ,I don’t really care..
    only team I care about is us..


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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    I remember last year talking about if Calvin McCarty wound up as a TC casualty and wondering how the fanbase would react if Brock pulled a similar move. There are a lot of parallels between Calvin & Rolly. It stings when a community oriented vet gets cut. I think in the Lions (and Hervey's) situation, this is a case of needing to do what is best for the team.
    crappy that it was done this way but we don't know the whole story. The long and the short of the matter is that the GM has to have the team in mind first and foremost. While us fans get attached to the vets, inevitably if their pay doesn't match their play, then you HAVE to move on.
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Argos have signed a couple of ex-Riders; kicker Tyler Crapigna and former #1 pick OL Josiah St. John
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    Late signings heading into training camp, somebody has to get cut. Frees up roster spot and I'm thinking a bit of coin.
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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post



    Late signings heading into training camp, somebody has to get cut. Frees up roster spot and I'm thinking a bit of coin.
    When things like this happen so close to TC it sucks. Nice reward for being a perennial CFL All Star. Big dip in talent for the Argos if they are going to drop St. John into Van Zeyl's spot. Noticed V.Z. is a realtor, hopefully he either gets another shot elsewhere or is successful after football.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by turftoe27 View Post
    When things like this happen so close to TC it sucks. Nice reward for being a perennial CFL All Star. Big dip in talent for the Argos if they are going to drop St. John into Van Zeyl's spot. Noticed V.Z. is a realtor, hopefully he either gets another shot elsewhere or is successful after football.
    I'm thinking if Hamilton calls he'll listen because he can walk out the same door in the morning and head to practice otherwise he'll call it a career.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer24 View Post
    I'm thinking if Hamilton calls he'll listen because he can walk out the same door in the morning and head to practice otherwise he'll call it a career.
    Good call - signed a two year deal with Ham tonight.

    Another one that was pretty much purely financially motivated - reportedly a $40k report bonus was due, and he made around $230k last year. It's high, obviously, but for a two-time all-star Canadian RT, and a veteran leader, it would have been reflective of the market when he signed.

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    Re: CFL Offseason 2018/19

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post
    Good call - signed a two year deal with Ham tonight.

    Another one that was pretty much purely financially motivated - reportedly a $40k report bonus was due, and he made around $230k last year. It's high, obviously, but for a two-time all-star Canadian RT, and a veteran leader, it would have been reflective of the market when he signed.
    Admittedly it was a bit of a no-brainer. Historically movement of free agent players back and forth between Hamilton and Toronto far outstrips movement between any other pairing of two CFL locations.

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