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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    This is HUGE


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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post

    What is the incentive to start veteran imports? Curious about this one.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by glenvb View Post
    Honestly, and I know this might not be popular... QB's make too much relative to the rest of the players. And the upper end of vets' salaries have increased quite a bit in the last five years. I'm all for the free market, but when guys are trying to make do with around $50K (often trying to maintain another home back in the USA), I think minimum wage has to go up.

    I also wonder if this had something to do with trying to be competitive with the XFL at the lower salary levels.
    Again, I agree with the minimum going up. Just surprised the players, the majority I assume are vets, would agree to this. They are willing to give a percentage of their high salary earning years to rookies who are fighting to take their jobs? I guess they are much more magnanimous than I would have guessed.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by 56Parkies View Post
    I think it might be better to tie it to a percentage of the Salary cap - say no more than 10% of the cap can go to any one player. This way, as the cap rises, the player-max can go up as well.
    I see the QB as the biggest factor leading to the success of a CFL team. And if you have a cap like that, all starting CFL QB's will be making the same amount of money. And there is no way all starting CFL QBs are ranked equally.

    I like the free market cap management. It is a gamble to pay your starting QB 27% of your payroll like BC has done. You win or lose on decisions like that.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    With QB's becoming part of the ratio, I assume this means that the Designated Import count increases by +2?
    Where it was formerly 4 (I believe) and you dressed 2 backup QBs who were not part of the ratio requirement. A designated import is only allowed to substitute off other imports, and can play special teams.

    Going forward, anyone dressing a national at QB will have an extra rotational / ST player. Helpful in keeping a fresh Defensive line, or a backup American RB, or a kick return specialist in the roster.

    Will be interesting if Toronto is so bold as to dress two backup National QBs - O'Conner and Bridge.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    I wouldn't be in favor of getting rid of the ration, I just want to see it get to a number where the development system can keep up. If a team has a bad week with Canadians getting injured, they can be screwed. I don't think it's a good thing when a Canadian can retire, spend most of the season not playing or practicing working a desk job, then get signed towards the end of the year and be dressed and on the sidelines after a couple of practices. There simply isn't enough readily available Canadian talent that is good enough yet.
    The ratio should be reduced, though. My view anyway. The only way to improve the quality on the lines and stop having holding calls on every god damned play.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    This is HUGE


    Huge and Wonderful!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macavity View Post
    Huge and Wonderful!!!!
    yep, may lead to more guys staying in their city year round.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Farhan and Gregor discussing the CBA...apparently there is a possibility of a rookie cap?

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/the-jason-g...LaljiMay15.mp3
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    One disappointing aspect that came out today is that the number of padded sessions in training camps are getting reduced to almost non-existence. Last year they were cut to 10. This year it will be 5 and down to 3 in 2020. I understand the concept of doing it for player safety but it's reducing training camp sessions to be not much more than non-contact high speed walk throughs. When I take in my 2 or 3 days attending BC's camp I definitely shape my visit towards getting in as many padded sessions as possible because there is more intensity to them and I get a better sense of how things are going with the competition in the trenches. In comparison I found the non-padded sessions to be for lack of a better term downright boring with the exception of pass plays in skelly. At least there receivers and DBs can play it fairly close to game situations at least until the ball arrives.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    They've included a grace period to negotiate with pending free agents in the CBA...https://3downnation.com/2019/05/16/t...al-in-new-cba/
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    They've included a grace period to negotiate with pending free agents in the CBA...https://3downnation.com/2019/05/16/t...al-in-new-cba/
    Seems like they managed to address quite a few of things that have been bothersome. I think this is good. The tampering already happened, give legal parameters to how it can be done so that it is fair to all teams and players.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Farhan and Gregor discussing the CBA...apparently there is a possibility of a rookie cap?

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/the-jason-g...LaljiMay15.mp3
    One of the elements I'd seen mentioned (and it's a matter of figuring out what is truth and what is "interpretation") was the idea of a more structured contract for the 1st overall draft pick based at $85,000. Presumably the others would slot in around that. I'm not sure that it's 100% fair, and wouldn't seem to recognize exceptional cases, but it should lessen the amounts of rookie holdouts if there is more structure to what draft picks get.

    I'm not 100% certain how it works in the NFL, but I believe it's at least somewhat the case where as guys get signed, they typically slot in by salary in the order they were drafted. If the 6th pick and 9th pick have signed, the 7th pick is going to be paid somewhere between those, regardless of position. IIRC, there is some sort of formula that lays what guys make, and I think it is a 4-yr contract for NFL draft picks with a team option for a 5th year. Like Lalji states in the conversation with Gregor, it's going to be more about term than money for the CFL, to avoid 2-years and done situations.

    On interesting point in the conversation as well - that the CFLPA got an under-appreciated win by getting some form of revenue sharing back in the CBA. Even if that's a case where there's little to nothing over the next three years, now that it's in the picture, the next negotiation in 3 years is not to get it, but rather, to expand it. There was a lot of talk about wanting to be partners in the game, and that's very well reflected in that approach - if they work hard to help grow the game in the coming three years, causing an increase in value for the next TV deal, then they share in the upside.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    https://3downnation.com/2019/05/17/c...new-cba-terms/

    > Further CBA details.

    Based on this I read it as a starting CDN QB counts as one of the seven national starters. However, no benefit to a backup QB, and doesn't affect your designated import counts.
    Veteran imports can sub for an injured National. This sounds like an in game rule, that reduces the dependency on CDN depth in a position.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by popo View Post
    https://3downnation.com/2019/05/17/c...new-cba-terms/

    > Further CBA details.

    Based on this I read it as a starting CDN QB counts as one of the seven national starters. However, no benefit to a backup QB, and doesn't affect your designated import counts.
    Veteran imports can sub for an injured National. This sounds like an in game rule, that reduces the dependency on CDN depth in a position.
    Anyone see a scenario where a coach might try to get a National to fake an injury so that he can get a veteran import in there? On the face of it this seems like a problematic element of the CBA.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Anyone see a scenario where a coach might try to get a National to fake an injury so that he can get a veteran import in there? On the face of it this seems like a problematic element of the CBA.
    Was wondering the same thing.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Anyone see a scenario where a coach might try to get a National to fake an injury so that he can get a veteran import in there? On the face of it this seems like a problematic element of the CBA.
    I'm guessing that the player will be unable to come back into the game but I may be wrong.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by popo View Post
    https://3downnation.com/2019/05/17/c...new-cba-terms/

    > Further CBA details.

    Based on this I read it as a starting CDN QB counts as one of the seven national starters. However, no benefit to a backup QB, and doesn't affect your designated import counts.
    Veteran imports can sub for an injured National. This sounds like an in game rule, that reduces the dependency on CDN depth in a position.
    I see there is a clause that Global players on the PR will not count against the salary cap. It would have been nice if they would have included Canadian QBs on the PR to be salary cap exempt as well. It would have been another incentive for teams to carry and develop a National QB.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    I see there is a clause that Global players on the PR will not count against the salary cap. It would have been nice if they would have included Canadian QBs on the PR to be salary cap exempt as well. It would have been another incentive for teams to carry and develop a National QB.
    Correct!

    This should already be the case!

    Just not sure why it’s not!

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Anyone see a scenario where a coach might try to get a National to fake an injury so that he can get a veteran import in there? On the face of it this seems like a problematic element of the CBA.
    Dating back to the Mike Maurer days, my crew has had a term for this - a Digger - Designated Injury Guy - that guy that knows how and when to drop when you need a timeout.

    There will have to be something in there to make it a bar that has to be cleared, and not just a way to play an extra import in crucial sections of the game. I'm guessing that it's been thought out more than what has currently been made public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post
    Dating back to the Mike Maurer days, my crew has had a term for this - a Digger - Designated Injury Guy - that guy that knows how and when to drop when you need a timeout.

    There will have to be something in there to make it a bar that has to be cleared, and not just a way to play an extra import in crucial sections of the game. I'm guessing that it's been thought out more than what has currently been made public.
    I dunno...as much as I like Ambrosie some of the stuff he has come up with in the past has seemed off the cuff.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Oh for Pete's sake...

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Quote Originally Posted by OK14 View Post
    Oh for Pete's sake...

    Lol. Good thing BC signed Reilly. I think he makes the 3rd BC INT vet who has played 3 seasons in BC.

    Oops. Forgot Antonio Johnson if he makes the team. He's entering his 4th season. Burnham and Lee are the other 2.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    3DN: The CFL reneged on elements of the new CBA and almost caused a strike

    Come on, Randy. You're a former player; you should be better than this.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    I am pretty confident, based on some direct sources and some filling in of the blanks that the John Hodge report of today's events is pretty accurate.

    The league, it seems, thinking it had leverage, with the players being in town and relying on teams to pay for their accommodations, meals, etc, tried changing some of the language from what was agreed to previously.

    The CFLPA, in it's current form, is not the organization that existed previously - one that might have been caught off guard my this maneuver and been forced to cave. This PA, with the solid leadership and well-planned partnerships and resources, was prepared for this sort of contingency. The infrastructure they had in place through their recent agreement with the Canadian Steelworkers gave them a method for distributing funds to players if necessary, and they had funds in place to get players back home if they had to.

    This seemingly thwarted the league's perceived leverage and caused them to revert back to the previously agreed to leverage.

    In the sense where, "if you're not cheating, you're not trying", I can sort of understand why the league tried to push their advantage. However, when it's as public as it is in a social media age, and when you're supposedly trying to build a 'partnership' with these players that the commissioner espouses to love and respect so much, it sure looks like a real greasy move.

    Kudos to Brian Ramsay, Jeff Keeping, Ken Georgetti, the rest of the CFLPA bargaining committee and the player reps, for maintaining the unity they did - no easy task. Kudos to the players for putting their trust in these guys and giving them a strong mandate with solid public support to strengthen their position. Kudos to the league for bending on areas and finding common ground, even if they did try some dirty dealing at the last minute.

    It reminds me of a past job. 25 years ago I had an 18 month stint selling cars for Hugh McColl. There was a sales manager that was famous for trying to, just for the hell of it, get his salespeople to get a "parking lot bump". After the deal was done with the customer, and all the paperwork signed and agreed to, he's send us out after the customer in the parking lot to see if we could get another $200. It was slimy. It was unethical. It entertained him to no end to watch us squirm to have to do it, and every once in awhile, maybe 1 in 7 times, it worked. It kind of feels like the league tried to get a parking lot bump on the CFLPA, thinking it was an easy mark today, and found out otherwise.

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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Thanks for the info GWN.
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    Disgusting move by the league to pull that crap as far as I’m concerned...
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    Re: CFL CBA Situation

    ^The CFLPA will remember that in the next negotiation. Make no mistake. They're pretty strong after reading about this negotiation process.

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