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    Quote Originally Posted by Esk Reporter View Post
    I was going to chime in and say I like the tools Zach Kline brings to the table, but I no longer see him on the Eskimo website! Did I miss something?? Was he released...??
    GWN posted that Kline choose to retire.

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    Wow...did the team ever acknowledge that?? Perhaps I shouldn't be asking that question based on what we have seen so far :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esk Reporter View Post
    Wow...did the team ever acknowledge that?? Perhaps I shouldn't be asking that question based on what we have seen so far :P
    Lol...the team acknowledge something? Yeah...sure...
    And there was much rejoicing... yaayyy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looner View Post
    I agree and with another team coming into the league, I really think they need to look at this number.
    I would be shocked if they did which is too bad because that would be the smart thing to do. They did nothing when Ottawa came into the league again. You have the NFL taking the best of the best Canadians. Now you have the new league in the States who some Canadians may choose to go too in the hopes they can "develop" playing the American game and maybe get a NFL shot. Then you will have another Canadian team that will need a complete set of Canadian starters plus back ups. So I can see the CFL product going down because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    The CFLPA's achillies heel has always been that its been largely run and represented by NI players causing a bit of a disconnect between them and their import brethren
    This is a perception that the CFLPA is aware of... and honestly, one that has been earned for quite some time... but it is changing.

    At President, you've got Jeff Keeping, as the ED you have Brian Ramsay, at Treasurer, Pete Dyakowski, and Marwan Hage as one of the three VPs - kind of playing into the narrative in that respect.

    Dig a little more, and the other two VPs are Rolly Lumbala and Solomon Elimimian - yes, Rolly is Canadian, but it's at least starting to break the O-line pattern.

    To see the real shift though, look at the player reps (https://cflpa.com/player-reps/).

    Areceneaux, Willis, Benson (alt)
    Wall, Maver, Brandon Smith (alt)
    Sewell, Sherritt and King (alt)
    Brouillette, Jovon Johnson, Hughes (alt)
    Rempel, Neufeld, Randle (alt)
    Tracy, Dean, Filer (alt)
    Van Zeyl, Woods, Black (alt)
    Gott, Harris, Hebert (alt)
    Boulay, Bowan, Adekolu (alt)

    3 teams with 2 Cdn and 1 American rep, and 6 teams with 2 American reps and 1 Cdn. BC, Edm and Ham have no Cdn reps other than alternates. Wpg has both main reps being Cdn.

    Of the 17 player reps (including alternates) only 4 OL (Neufeld, Filer, Van Zeyl and Gott - all of whom have some good tenure and roots with their respective clubs, and are well-spoken, bright guys).

    Looking at how players get to be reps - they put their name forward as being willing, then get voted by their teammates. It is obviously something more for veteran guys that are established and rooted, and those committed to the league for their career. It's going to take most American players a certain amount of time to embrace that role on their team and want to take on that responsibility. There's got to be a willingness to stand up and step forward as part of the change, and I think that is starting to be in evidence.

    I would argue that the agenda isn't that different regardless if you're Cdn or American... increase the salary cap so there is more for everyone, work at the distribution mechanics, and work to create more jobs (roster spots). Look at issues of player safety, health and wellness and fairness, and ultimately fight to have a voice at the table with league decisions.

    When it comes to how the cap is actually distributed and teams are built out, there are some different strategies (cheaper at QB, defence over offence, etc) but ultimately it's a supply and demand thing. Top NI O-linemen are going to be making as much or more than top American O-linemen, and while they're not going to be as good or impactful in many cases, it is likely that the drop off to the next guy and the guy after that is perceived to be that much bigger. Unless there is a major push to change the ratio substantially (and I don't think it will happen), nothing is going to change dramatically with the distribution, save perhaps for agreeing to up the minimum salary to help compete with the AAF.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    I would be shocked if they did which is too bad because that would be the smart thing to do. They did nothing when Ottawa came into the league again. You have the NFL taking the best of the best Canadians. Now you have the new league in the States who some Canadians may choose to go too in the hopes they can "develop" playing the American game and maybe get a NFL shot. Then you will have another Canadian team that will need a complete set of Canadian starters plus back ups. So I can see the CFL product going down because of it.
    The 'smart' thing to do is a bit of a simplification.

    When Ottawa came into the league, they were able to draft one year ahead (underclassmen only), got ordained with a good draft position (I believe they were first overall) and got to pick two Canadians off of existing teams... I believe it was something like the 7th and 13th best guys after teams protected some. They came in competitive from the start, and were able to put together top-end Canadian talent through the expansion draft, free agency and the CFL draft. I don't think there were any existing teams that were destroyed by the loss of the two players (IIRC, it was Krausnik and Capicciotti that we lost), nor do I think that the dilution of talent has dramatically affected the game... either initially or since.

    The Canadian ratio, and the demand for Canadian talent is one of the single biggest drivers of growth in the salary cap. While there are some American players that get frustrated that a Canadian player can earn as much or more than them when they wouldn't be able to beat them out straight up for the roster spot, those same guys need to understand that there is a league today because of those guys and the guys before them. The cap is what it is today because it's grown due to inflation AND scarcity of talent on the Cdn side as much as anything. We've all heard phrasing like "next man up", or "dime a dozen", and while insulting to the individuals that work hard at their profession, if you take away the ratio, I believe that mentality becomes even more prevalent.

    I would much rather see the roster grown - adding more American positions to allow for specialists, depth at positions, etc - than to just have it redistributed. The growth of Canadian football at the high school, university and junior levels, to the point where the NFL and US colleges are paying much more attention, is because of, in large part, the ratio giving more Canadian kids opportunities to work toward. I think it would be short-sighted to lessen those longer term, though potentially pragmatic to have a one-year transition reduction around the next expansion... not in the number of starters, but in the roster makeup to allow for an adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post
    This is a perception that the CFLPA is aware of... and honestly, one that has been earned for quite some time... but it is changing.

    At President, you've got Jeff Keeping, as the ED you have Brian Ramsay, at Treasurer, Pete Dyakowski, and Marwan Hage as one of the three VPs - kind of playing into the narrative in that respect.

    Dig a little more, and the other two VPs are Rolly Lumbala and Solomon Elimimian - yes, Rolly is Canadian, but it's at least starting to break the O-line pattern.

    To see the real shift though, look at the player reps (https://cflpa.com/player-reps/).

    Areceneaux, Willis, Benson (alt)
    Wall, Maver, Brandon Smith (alt)
    Sewell, Sherritt and King (alt)
    Brouillette, Jovon Johnson, Hughes (alt)
    Rempel, Neufeld, Randle (alt)
    Tracy, Dean, Filer (alt)
    Van Zeyl, Woods, Black (alt)
    Gott, Harris, Hebert (alt)
    Boulay, Bowan, Adekolu (alt)

    3 teams with 2 Cdn and 1 American rep, and 6 teams with 2 American reps and 1 Cdn. BC, Edm and Ham have no Cdn reps other than alternates. Wpg has both main reps being Cdn.

    Of the 17 player reps (including alternates) only 4 OL (Neufeld, Filer, Van Zeyl and Gott - all of whom have some good tenure and roots with their respective clubs, and are well-spoken, bright guys).

    Looking at how players get to be reps - they put their name forward as being willing, then get voted by their teammates. It is obviously something more for veteran guys that are established and rooted, and those committed to the league for their career. It's going to take most American players a certain amount of time to embrace that role on their team and want to take on that responsibility. There's got to be a willingness to stand up and step forward as part of the change, and I think that is starting to be in evidence.

    I would argue that the agenda isn't that different regardless if you're Cdn or American... increase the salary cap so there is more for everyone, work at the distribution mechanics, and work to create more jobs (roster spots). Look at issues of player safety, health and wellness and fairness, and ultimately fight to have a voice at the table with league decisions.

    When it comes to how the cap is actually distributed and teams are built out, there are some different strategies (cheaper at QB, defence over offence, etc) but ultimately it's a supply and demand thing. Top NI O-linemen are going to be making as much or more than top American O-linemen, and while they're not going to be as good or impactful in many cases, it is likely that the drop off to the next guy and the guy after that is perceived to be that much bigger. Unless there is a major push to change the ratio substantially (and I don't think it will happen), nothing is going to change dramatically with the distribution, save perhaps for agreeing to up the minimum salary to help compete with the AAF.



    The 'smart' thing to do is a bit of a simplification.

    When Ottawa came into the league, they were able to draft one year ahead (underclassmen only), got ordained with a good draft position (I believe they were first overall) and got to pick two Canadians off of existing teams... I believe it was something like the 7th and 13th best guys after teams protected some. They came in competitive from the start, and were able to put together top-end Canadian talent through the expansion draft, free agency and the CFL draft. I don't think there were any existing teams that were destroyed by the loss of the two players (IIRC, it was Krausnik and Capicciotti that we lost), nor do I think that the dilution of talent has dramatically affected the game... either initially or since.

    The Canadian ratio, and the demand for Canadian talent is one of the single biggest drivers of growth in the salary cap. While there are some American players that get frustrated that a Canadian player can earn as much or more than them when they wouldn't be able to beat them out straight up for the roster spot, those same guys need to understand that there is a league today because of those guys and the guys before them. The cap is what it is today because it's grown due to inflation AND scarcity of talent on the Cdn side as much as anything. We've all heard phrasing like "next man up", or "dime a dozen", and while insulting to the individuals that work hard at their profession, if you take away the ratio, I believe that mentality becomes even more prevalent.

    I would much rather see the roster grown - adding more American positions to allow for specialists, depth at positions, etc - than to just have it redistributed. The growth of Canadian football at the high school, university and junior levels, to the point where the NFL and US colleges are paying much more attention, is because of, in large part, the ratio giving more Canadian kids opportunities to work toward. I think it would be short-sighted to lessen those longer term, though potentially pragmatic to have a one-year transition reduction around the next expansion... not in the number of starters, but in the roster makeup to allow for an adjustment.
    I am not trying to piss on Canadian football but I am a realist. The Canadian talent pool is not there. It's not a knock, it's just reality. The Canadian system gets better and better each year but they flat out do not turn out anywhere near as high quality players like the US does. Not even close. So when these Canadian players get drafted, they are WAY behind the US guys of the same age. That is why you see it take Canadians YEARS to develop to maybe become competent pros. You can often see a US kid come up and step into a line up or at least be a back up. The best of the best Canadian college kids get signed in the NFL. If you look at most CFL teams, they will have just enough decent Canadian starters, maybe have the odd decent back up at a few spots but at a lot of positions there is a big time drop off to the Canadian back up. So when a new team is introduced, they will need a complete set of Canadian starters. So just like with Ottawa, their will be a draft and the new team will get to pluck a starting Canadian from each team. So that will make every team have to start one of their back ups who's no where near as good.

    All I an saying is I think they should look at the Canadian number and tweak it. Drop it down by a spot or 2. You aren't eliminating the Canadian position from the CFL, you are just setting it to a level where the development system can support it. Right now, if a team has a bad game and lose a couple of Canadians, they can be screwed because most teams do not have the depth to replace them with adequate players. You lose your starting Canadian guard and the guy behind him who's the "back up" isn't ready because it takes them years to develop. So all of a sudden your RB or QB is getting crushed because the guy protecting them isn't developed yet.
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    I would LOVE the see the CFL get rid of the ratio. Felt that way for a long, long time.

    But, fixing officiating and empowering a commissioner would be on the top of the to-do list for the CFL.
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    For once I agree with Q. Dropping the Canadian content by a spot or two wouldn't hurt the game. I think it would add to it.

    That being said, there are a lot of good Canadian players coming out of NCAA and CIS ball in the last little while. Granted, most of the really good Canadians are choosing their NFL dream and usually sitting on a PR instead of wanting to actually play. And by the time they get up here they're too old and won't make enough money to make it worth their while, in their minds.

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    I'd like them to leave the National roster number the same, but include National QB's in the total. Until the 10th club starts playing, I'd like to see each club allowed to expand PR's by 3 additional Canadians.
    I'd also like to see them scrap the 7 National starters, but require 3 Nationals on the field at all times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtuck09 View Post
    For once I agree with Q. Dropping the Canadian content by a spot or two wouldn't hurt the game. I think it would add to it.

    That being said, there are a lot of good Canadian players coming out of NCAA and CIS ball in the last little while. Granted, most of the really good Canadians are choosing their NFL dream and usually sitting on a PR instead of wanting to actually play. And by the time they get up here they're too old and won't make enough money to make it worth their while, in their minds.
    There is a misconception among die-hard CFL fans that the only thing the CFL needs to improve on is the quality of its promotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    There is a misconception among die-hard CFL fans that the only thing the CFL needs to improve on is the quality of its promotions.
    Quality of its promotions...what do you mean by that? Salary? Bonuses?

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by promotions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtuck09 View Post
    Quality of its promotions...what do you mean by that? Salary? Bonuses?

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by promotions...
    I mean that the CFL has bigger problems than just how it presents itself. The CFL is, I believe, less popular now than when I was a kid. It's officiating is terrible. And some of the play itself in recent years has been terrible. And as a league, it seems to be 9 small fiefdoms constantly at war with each other rather than a cohesive league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I mean that the CFL has bigger problems than just how it presents itself.
    Oh for sure.

    Reffing and coaches challenges need to be revamped in a big way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I mean that the CFL has bigger problems than just how it presents itself. The CFL is, I believe, less popular now than when I was a kid. It's officiating is terrible. And some of the play itself in recent years has been terrible. And as a league, it seems to be 9 small fiefdoms constantly at war with each other rather than a cohesive league.
    I'm wondering if that's the first time on this site the word fiefdom has ever been used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    I am not trying to piss on Canadian football but I am a realist. The Canadian talent pool is not there. It's not a knock, it's just reality. The Canadian system gets better and better each year but they flat out do not turn out anywhere near as high quality players like the US does. Not even close. So when these Canadian players get drafted, they are WAY behind the US guys of the same age. That is why you see it take Canadians YEARS to develop to maybe become competent pros. You can often see a US kid come up and step into a line up or at least be a back up. The best of the best Canadian college kids get signed in the NFL. If you look at most CFL teams, they will have just enough decent Canadian starters, maybe have the odd decent back up at a few spots but at a lot of positions there is a big time drop off to the Canadian back up. So when a new team is introduced, they will need a complete set of Canadian starters. So just like with Ottawa, their will be a draft and the new team will get to pluck a starting Canadian from each team. So that will make every team have to start one of their back ups who's no where near as good.

    All I an saying is I think they should look at the Canadian number and tweak it. Drop it down by a spot or 2. You aren't eliminating the Canadian position from the CFL, you are just setting it to a level where the development system can support it. Right now, if a team has a bad game and lose a couple of Canadians, they can be screwed because most teams do not have the depth to replace them with adequate players. You lose your starting Canadian guard and the guy behind him who's the "back up" isn't ready because it takes them years to develop. So all of a sudden your RB or QB is getting crushed because the guy protecting them isn't developed yet.
    I don't disagree with much in this... particularly in the comparison about the readiness of American players and Canadian players. The coaching, the availability of youth programs, the competition, etc, it all adds to the gap, much the same way that most Canadian youth would be ahead of their American counterparts at hockey.

    I do believe that most CFL teams can and should be able to start more than the minimum. Is there a drop-off from a Bryant Mitchell to a Natey Adjei? Of course. I don't need to see the best 24 players on the team always starting, and if I wanted to see the biggest, best and fastest, there's an argument I should be watching the NFL. I want to see teams manage the strategy around rosters, ratios and with both teams playing by the same rules, acknowledge that is part of the game, just as is managing the salary cap.

    Where we may disagree, I don't believe that it diminishes the quality of the product, though I would understand if it does for some. To me, it adds other layers. I'm always going to be a fan of strategy and management in addition to just the physical execution on the field.

    I believe that the Canadian system is putting out more and better talent than ever. You're right that some of it gets poached by the NFL, just as does the top American talent. I would support a short-term adjustment period for an expansion team, but if they adjust the ratio on starters, that is possibly a tough one to turn back from. I like some of the other ideas - expanded practice roster spots for Canadians, recognizing Canadian QBs in a roster sense. I do believe though, ultimately, there is too much at stake in protecting the Can-con in the game that short-term growth and contractions in the talent may be just blips along the way.

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    While the CFLPA executive and to a lesser extent team reps get criticized for being heavily tilted towards Canadians I think that's merely a reflection on the league demographics. I'm thinking the best candidates to do that sort of yeoman's service will be folks who have been around the league for a few years and reside in one of the member cities year around along with the bulk of their constituents. That all seems to point to National OL who historically enjoy the longest and most stable careers. Vast majority of American players likely wait a few years before considering living in Canada year around.

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    Topic has veered a little so to bring it back..

    If... And itís a big if,
    We lose reilly would the fan base be somewhat appeased if we resigned rr for 1 season and someone like jj to bring though or a Davis or our own find??

    Rr was adored here and Iím pretty sure Jason could snag him if we know reilly isnt returning..

    Also segways into a coaching job for him in 2020 maybe..


    I just donít think Ricky is returning to Toronto..

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    I don't want Ricky back here playing. Love the guy and always will as he was a great one for us. If he comes back and coaches, I'm all for that.

    I'd rather take a shot on a younger guy like Jennings who has more upside to his game and will potentially be here for more than one year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Topic has veered a little so to bring it back..

    If... And it’s a big if,
    We lose reilly would the fan base be somewhat appeased if we resigned rr for 1 season and someone like jj to bring though or a Davis or our own find??

    Rr was adored here and I’m pretty sure Jason could snag him if we know reilly isnt returning..

    Also segways into a coaching job for him in 2020 maybe..


    I just don’t think Ricky is returning to Toronto..
    I wouldn't at all. I love Ricky, I will always be a fan of his, he should have never left Edmonton. But the guy is going to be 40 yrs old, his body is breaking down. After winning that surprise Grey Cup, he should have retired and went out on a high note. He's done.
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    The hard reality is that if Mike Reilly leaves the Eskimos will finish last in the CFL in 2019. The upside is that in the CFL you can go from worst to first in a year. They will have to develop a young QB. Should have been doing that anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    The hard reality is that if Mike Reilly leaves the Eskimos will finish last in the CFL in 2019. The upside is that in the CFL you can go from worst to first in a year. They will have to develop a young QB. Should have been doing that anyway!
    What, you don't have faith in Danny O'Brien leading the Esks? I've been told, he's got untapped potential and the team has been holding him back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    The hard reality is that if Mike Reilly leaves the Eskimos will finish last in the CFL in 2019. The upside is that in the CFL you can go from worst to first in a year. They will have to develop a young QB. Should have been doing that anyway!
    Tbf to the eskimos..
    Almost a 3rd of the current starting qbs ( Masoli franklin Nichols ) all started life as eskimos quarterbacks , and while we didn’t Develop reilly for the sake of my point ( ) if we add him to the group that’s 4 outta 9 qbs have donned g&g

    I don’t see any other team in his league have any kind of similarity last 4 plus years

    Take in to account Calgary, prob most successful team in the league last five years... how many qbs have the rest of the league swooped from their stables last 5 years .....none ... how many qbs have Calgary developed in the time since no was there starter?? Zero!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    I wouldn't at all. I love Ricky, I will always be a fan of his, he should have never left Edmonton. But the guy is going to be 40 yrs old, his body is breaking down. After winning that surprise Grey Cup, he should have retired and went out on a high note. He's done.

    I’m with you on this one.. I think we take our lumps with the guy we choose, jj or harris or whomever ( still really like pipkin outta Montreal )

    Was just thinking about joe public more than the die hards here..

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    Re: If Reilly Leaves....

    Reilly will be back.
    Ray is done. If not he should be.
    If and it's a big if, Reilly doesn't re-sign with us, go after Strevler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Tbf to the eskimos..
    Almost a 3rd of the current starting qbs ( Masoli franklin Nichols ) all started life as eskimos quarterbacks , and while we didn’t Develop reilly for the sake of my point ( ) if we add him to the group that’s 4 outta 9 qbs have donned g&g

    I don’t see any other team in his league have any kind of similarity last 4 plus years

    Take in to account Calgary, prob most successful team in the league last five years... how many qbs have the rest of the league swooped from their stables last 5 years .....none ... how many qbs have Calgary developed in the time since no was there starter?? Zero!

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    I’m with you on this one.. I think we take our lumps with the guy we choose, jj or harris or whomever ( still really like pipkin outta Montreal )

    Was just thinking about joe public more than the die hards here..
    You forgot Manzel. Given he can't really play, I bet you can get him from Montreal. The Pres likes gimmicks and winning is not enough. What's more gimmicky than letting Manzel try to play QB. Seems like a match made in heaven.
    Remember winning is not enough according to Len Rhodes, President of a professional sports team.

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    Re: If Reilly Leaves....

    Quote Originally Posted by boydo View Post
    Reilly will be back.
    Ray is done. If not he should be.
    If and it's a big if, Reilly doesn't re-sign with us, go after Strevler.
    Strevler is an exciting player to watch, but I always like to see year 2 out of a player before I commit. Besides, I doubt Winnipeg would move a solid backup on his small salary, so we'd have to wait until 2020 anyway.
    Ray could probably throw perfect passes until he is 45... provided he never takes a hit again. I wish him well and hope he does the right thing and walks away.
    I think in anyone can work some magic with Jennings, Maas would be the guy, provided Jennings is up for the challenge.
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    Re: If Reilly Leaves....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    You forgot Manzel. Given he can't really play, I bet you can get him from Montreal. The Pres likes gimmicks and winning is not enough. What's more gimmicky than letting Manzel try to play QB. Seems like a match made in heaven.
    Jonny fussball will return to Montreal....

    No one wants thst circus.. Coupled with he's actually not very good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boydo View Post
    Reilly will be back.
    Ray is done. If not he should be.
    If and it's a big if, Reilly doesn't re-sign with us, go after Strevler.
    Streveler can't throw...

    1 trick pony

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    Re: If Reilly Leaves....

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Jonny fussball will return to Montreal....

    No one wants thst circus.. Coupled with he's actually not very good!

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    Streveler can't throw...

    1 trick pony
    You won't get an argument from me about Manzel not being good but we do have a Pres who values bringing in one hit wonders and mediocre rappers who were popular a decade ago over winning games. So it wouldn't surprise me.
    Remember winning is not enough according to Len Rhodes, President of a professional sports team.

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    Re: If Reilly Leaves....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    The hard reality is that if Mike Reilly leaves the Eskimos will finish last in the CFL in 2019. The upside is that in the CFL you can go from worst to first in a year. They will have to develop a young QB. Should have been doing that anyway!
    Kavis Reed is still in Montreal...

    Just sayin'

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    Re: If Reilly Leaves....

    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Topic has veered a little so to bring it back..

    If... And it’s a big if,
    We lose reilly would the fan base be somewhat appeased if we resigned rr for 1 season and someone like jj to bring though or a Davis or our own find??

    Rr was adored here and I’m pretty sure Jason could snag him if we know reilly isnt returning..

    Also segways into a coaching job for him in 2020 maybe..


    I just don’t think Ricky is returning to Toronto..
    I think if Ricky continues to play, it will be in Toronto. I believe that there is a good amount of loyalty that has developed there in both directions. Was great to see him back in Edmonton at the Alumni Luncheon at Grey Cup (standing ovation from all in attendance), and I wouldn't rule out him being involved back here as a coach some day, but I don't see it being a good marriage on the field at this point. I also think he needs to start his coaching career elsewhere, as Edmonton has a solid record of eating their own. Likely best to learn in another city and build up some experience before looking at Edmonton.

    I could see Edmonton possibly looking to deal for Franklin if Reilly doesn't re-sign, particularly if Toronto is looking to add a more veteran guy. I still think that Jennings would be our first choice as a plan B.

    Ultimately, I continue to have a lot of faith that Reilly returns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    What, you don't have faith in Danny O'Brien leading the Esks? I've been told, he's got untapped potential and the team has been holding him back.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    You won't get an argument from me about Manzel not being good but we do have a Pres who values bringing in one hit wonders and mediocre rappers who were popular a decade ago over winning games. So it wouldn't surprise me.
    Pulling out the greatest hits I see.

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    Re: If Reilly Leaves....

    I don’t think reilly leaves either gwn !

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