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    The other thing that's being missed by our socialist friends is they lost ~50,000 votes despite voter turnout being noticeably higher. The NDP got to run on their record and their record was resoundingly rejected by the majority of voters and a significant percentage of former NDP voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    I'm not sure what this means. Can you expand on it? I am curious to know what people with your beliefs are thinking right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronAmongYou View Post
    I'm not sure what this means. Can you expand on it? I am curious to know what people with your beliefs are thinking right now.
    Just chuckling at Q's comments about the hate from the NDP. I could elaborate, but I don't need 17 pages of Q's babbling just before the weekend, so I just posted a smiley face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Just chuckling at Q's comments about the hate from the NDP. I could elaborate, but I don't need 17 pages of Q's babbling just before the weekend, so I just posted a smiley face.
    Basically the same poop as always. You know me
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronAmongYou View Post
    I can tell you with certainty, government unionized workers get absolutely hammered in boom cycles in Alberta.
    It's all a wash my friend.
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    You aren't worth my time buddy. Have a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    It's all a wash my friend.
    I disagree with this. The union workers I'm familiar with (and I know, personally bias is a blind spot for everyone) did well during the boom. A lot of guys made a lot of money and got big salary bumps. What was is criticism of the plight of the workers now? "Well, I don't care about some guy who was making six figures but spent all his money on toys being broke now". Those were unions driving those wage increase and the workers were doing really well. Even down here in Edmonton people got big increases and managed to create a lot of personal wealth. I'll listen to an argument that the workers should have gotten more during the boom, but I disagree that the people were hammered by the economy in the good years like they were over the last 4.

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    Government unions did not raises that the public sector unions got. You said government unions in Edmonton. That would be nurses, provincial employees, teachers etc. Next to no raises in the past 10 years inclusive of the the last boom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Government unions did not raises that the public sector unions got. You said government unions in Edmonton. That would be nurses, provincial employees, teachers etc. Next to no raises in the past 10 years inclusive of the the last boom.
    Oh sorry, we got our wires crossed. I meant private sector union people got hit hard during the last 4 years. Public sector unions did not. You are correct that public employees did not receive the same benefits in the boom as their private brethren. Although, I do believe the nurses and teachers got big raises after they worked together to get Redford elected as PC boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I don't like Jason Kenney. I worked out on the hill years ago. He's even more socially conservative than you think. But, Albertans have spoken.

    His cut to the business tax rate will be good.
    His eliminating the carbon tax will be a wash since selfie-boy will just implement his own and the feds will win that in court.
    His freeze of spending will reduce the deficit, but I am unsure the economy will grow enough to balance by the end of his term.
    Turning off the taps to BC will be crushed in court, but will do some damage while it is in effect and being litigated. Horgan will pay, so Kenney wins.
    A referendum on equalization will pass easily, but can't change the program. However the precedent is set that it does force the feds to renegotiate the formula. So, Kenney will win on that.
    Allowing teachers to inform parents if a kid joins a GSA will cause many to not join GSAs and lives will be lost as a consequence. Dick policy.


    At the end of 4 years Trans Mountain will be built, but it would have been built under Notley.
    C-69 and C-48 all depend on October, not Jason Kenney. But we all get to bash Justin Trudeau for a while. I'm okay with that since he's truly awful.

    I'm sad that the Alberta Party is over. And it is. No seats, 73 year old leader, no clear successor and no place in the TV debate in 4 years unless there is a defection. Its over.

    Finally the Alberta Liberal Party can die the death it has needed to for 20 years.

    Welcome to 2 party Alberta.
    I agree with most of what you say. It is not good for the Liberals to fall flat and same with the Alberta party even if I was not a fan of their platform from the past. Glad to see the opportunist mandel go down in flames. Would have liked to see another leader for them.

    I also like Khan as the Liberal leader and actually liked some of their policies even if they were radical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronAmongYou View Post
    The other thing that's being missed by our socialist friends is they lost ~50,000 votes despite voter turnout being noticeably higher. The NDP got to run on their record and their record was resoundingly rejected by the majority of voters and a significant percentage of former NDP voters.
    There was not one thing in this world that the NDP could have done to get re-elected once the conservative movement actually united.

    This province is die hard conservative, has been for more than 50 years and will remain so.

    As for this provinces economy? No government can have a real appreciable effect on it. We are totally at the mercy of the price of oil. A border squabble between saudi arabia and Iran or iraq has a bigger effect on our bottom line than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post

    There was not one thing in this world that the NDP could have done to get re-elected once the conservative movement actually united.

    This province is die hard conservative, has been for more than 50 years and will remain so.
    No doubt. Perhaps if the price of oil wouldn't have tumbled during the NDP tenure, they may have held onto a few more seats that they lost (not much). I don't think many expected this election to be close based on the situation. Unifying the right was the solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    As for this provinces economy? No government can have a real appreciable effect on it. We are totally at the mercy of the price of oil. A border squabble between saudi arabia and Iran or iraq has a bigger effect on our bottom line than anything.
    Strong disagree on this point. Other places around the world had the same global economy. There's a reason why Alberta suffered more than our competitors. The reason? The NDP and their corporate taxes, personal taxes, carbon taxes, shutting down coal, and on and on and on. They made the situation much worse for the people. The NDP was unlucky that they had an even worse government in Ottawa working harder to the detriment of the citizens here.

    I do agree that there was no chance the NDP was going to be re-elected. Socialist policies always fail and the people here aren't submissive enough to simply accept that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    I agree with most of what you say. It is not good for the Liberals to fall flat and same with the Alberta party even if I was not a fan of their platform from the past. Glad to see the opportunist mandel go down in flames. Would have liked to see another leader for them.

    I also like Khan as the Liberal leader and actually liked some of their policies even if they were radical.

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    There was not one thing in this world that the NDP could have done to get re-elected once the conservative movement actually united.

    This province is die hard conservative, has been for more than 50 years and will remain so.

    As for this provinces economy? No government can have a real appreciable effect on it. We are totally at the mercy of the price of oil. A border squabble between saudi arabia and Iran or iraq has a bigger effect on our bottom line than anything.
    Well spoken, and civil. I really appreciated his take and some of their platform ideals.

    By the way esksfans folks, great debate here without calling each other names! Very impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaronAmongYou View Post
    Strong disagree on this point. Other places around the world had the same global economy. There's a reason why Alberta suffered more than our competitors. The reason? The NDP and their corporate taxes, personal taxes, carbon taxes, shutting down coal, and on and on and on. They made the situation much worse for the people. The NDP was unlucky that they had an even worse government in Ottawa working harder to the detriment of the citizens here.

    I do agree that there was no chance the NDP was going to be re-elected. Socialist policies always fail and the people here aren't submissive enough to simply accept that.
    IIIIIFFFFF they had gotten shovels into the ground and a pipeline on its way, I suspect it would be a different story. Debate whether that was their fault, or the feds fault. It didn't happen. That failure certainly gave a rallying cry to Mr. Kenney
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    What gets lost by NDP supporters and all their hatred right now is back in 2015...
    I don't know if it is really lost on people, but there is some truth to it. The same scenario, in reverse, was a common refrain federally from the left of centre crowd when Harper's Conservatives were winning federally despite the NDP and Liberals collectively getting more votes. Perhaps there is an argument to be made that the PC and Wildrose were more similar than the federal NDP and federal Liberals, but if you're wanting to vote out the other side, it seems unification or otherwise wiping out one of the parties cannibalizing support is somewhat of a necessity.

    More than anything else, I'm impressed by the voter turnout of 70%... sad that just under 3 in 4 turning out is impressive, but it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorth View Post

    More than anything else, I'm impressed by the voter turnout of 70%... sad that just under 3 in 4 turning out is impressive, but it is.
    It’d be nice to get age and gender demographics for the province as a whole and ridings individually, in terms of turnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I don't like Jason Kenney. I worked out on the hill years ago. He's even more socially conservative than you think. But, Albertans have spoken.

    His cut to the business tax rate will be good.
    His eliminating the carbon tax will be a wash since selfie-boy will just implement his own and the feds will win that in court.
    His freeze of spending will reduce the deficit, but I am unsure the economy will grow enough to balance by the end of his term.
    Turning off the taps to BC will be crushed in court, but will do some damage while it is in effect and being litigated. Horgan will pay, so Kenney wins.
    A referendum on equalization will pass easily, but can't change the program. However the precedent is set that it does force the feds to renegotiate the formula. So, Kenney will win on that.
    Allowing teachers to inform parents if a kid joins a GSA will cause many to not join GSAs and lives will be lost as a consequence. Dick policy.


    At the end of 4 years Trans Mountain will be built, but it would have been built under Notley.
    C-69 and C-48 all depend on October, not Jason Kenney. But we all get to bash Justin Trudeau for a while. I'm okay with that since he's truly awful.

    I'm sad that the Alberta Party is over. And it is. No seats, 73 year old leader, no clear successor and no place in the TV debate in 4 years unless there is a defection. Its over.

    Finally the Alberta Liberal Party can die the death it has needed to for 20 years.

    Welcome to 2 party Alberta.

    My additions:
    1. Letís hope he doesnít cancel the new South West hospital in Edmonton....or give it away...
    2. Letís hope he doesnít cancel the core/centralized diagnostic lab in Edmonton that already has been partly built & was about a decade in the making, if not more. Hopefully someone will explain to him that lab diagnostics are essential to high quality patient care.
    3. Fingers crossed that any reviews of health care take determinants of health into account.
    - Prevention is the most cost-effective type of care (when possible)
    - Addressing factors beyond acute physical medical conditions is actually REALLY important & stops/slows the cycle - and most importantly, results in better outcomes.
    4. Letís hope he doesnít blow up AHS - or freeze funding so that it doesnít match inflation or the expansion of services - thus creating a (fake) crisis to convince people that two tier is better.

    Also hope he doesnít f up the school curriculum, but I donít have kiddos, so somebody else should comment on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    My additions:
    1. Let’s hope he doesn’t cancel the new South West hospital in Edmonton....or give it away...
    2. Let’s hope he doesn’t cancel the core/centralized diagnostic lab in Edmonton that already has been partly built & was about a decade in the making, if not more. Hopefully someone will explain to him that lab diagnostics are essential to high quality patient care.
    3. Fingers crossed that any reviews of health care take determinants of health into account.
    - Prevention is the most cost-effective type of care (when possible)
    - Addressing factors beyond acute physical medical conditions is actually REALLY important & stops/slows the cycle - and most importantly, results in better outcomes.
    4. Let’s hope he doesn’t blow up AHS - or freeze funding so that it doesn’t match inflation or the expansion of services - thus creating a (fake) crisis to convince people that two tier is better.

    Also hope he doesn’t f up the school curriculum, but I don’t have kiddos, so somebody else should comment on that.
    Just like Doug Ford in Ontario here he will slash and Burn. No Health Infrastructure for you. I am also sure he will as Ford did here increase classroom sizes and fire teachers. Welcome to the conservative dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    My additions:
    1. Let’s hope he doesn’t cancel the new South West hospital in Edmonton....or give it away...
    2. Let’s hope he doesn’t cancel the core/centralized diagnostic lab in Edmonton that already has been partly built & was about a decade in the making, if not more. Hopefully someone will explain to him that lab diagnostics are essential to high quality patient care.
    3. Fingers crossed that any reviews of health care take determinants of health into account.
    - Prevention is the most cost-effective type of care (when possible)
    - Addressing factors beyond acute physical medical conditions is actually REALLY important & stops/slows the cycle - and most importantly, results in better outcomes.
    4. Let’s hope he doesn’t blow up AHS - or freeze funding so that it doesn’t match inflation or the expansion of services - thus creating a (fake) crisis to convince people that two tier is better.

    Also hope he doesn’t f up the school curriculum, but I don’t have kiddos, so somebody else should comment on that.
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    Yup. Oh, the irony — it’s Medical Laboratory Professionals’ Week.

    The amount of time & money wasted if this is permanently halted is unconscionable. The contracts still have to be paid out. A partly built building will be sitting on South Campus. How is that not waste & inefficiency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie123 View Post
    Yup. Oh, the irony — it’s Medical Laboratory Professionals’ Week.

    The amount of time & money wasted if this is permanently halted is unconscionable. The contracts still have to be paid out. A partly built building will be sitting on South Campus. How is that not waste & inefficiency?
    I realize the previous government allocated a bunch of money to infrastructure but what a lot of people don't know is that they are also placing a lot of companies in hardship as well, including mine, by not paying out funds that should be paid out. They rushed some of these projects along and the designs weren't done correctly, causing major overages in project spending and strife between the government and their hired contractors. A prime example of this is the Grande Prairie Hospital where payments have been delayed by up to 300 days on draws that have been certified for release. This is one example and thankfully I'm not involved in that one and I won't get into my situation in to much depth but I will say that the GP hospital situation isn't the only one like that.

    I'm all in favor of halting construction, doing a review, fixing the design (if needed) then carrying on. The longer you are into the process when you find design flaws, the more expensive it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Looner View Post
    I realize the previous government allocated a bunch of money to infrastructure but what a lot of people don't know is that they are also placing a lot of companies in hardship as well, including mine, by not paying out funds that should be paid out. They rushed some of these projects along and the designs weren't done correctly, causing major overages in project spending and strife between the government and their hired contractors. A prime example of this is the Grande Prairie Hospital where payments have been delayed by up to 300 days on draws that have been certified for release. This is one example and thankfully I'm not involved in that one and I won't get into my situation in to much depth but I will say that the GP hospital situation isn't the only one like that.

    I'm all in favor of halting construction, doing a review, fixing the design (if needed) then carrying on. The longer you are into the process when you find design flaws, the more expensive it is.
    From what I gather, the GP hospital build has been a big huge mess from the beginning (ie. since the planning). Is it actually the govt/Alberta Health, or is it AHS? It’s not one & the same. In any case, I understand your frustration. The med lab facility in Edmonton, though, has definitely not been rushed.

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    Welcome to the new Alberta
    but hey, at least you got rid of that provincial carbon tax.


    Edit - I note as Smartie123 has stated that the date of the original post is old. I wanted to post it because of all the crap that is going on down south "right now" to draw the parallel. I should have clarified when originally posted. My apologies.
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    Deleted.
    Realized the date on that tweet.
    Will save the rant(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post




    Welcome to the new Alberta
    but hey, at least you got rid of that provincial carbon tax.


    Edit - I note as Smartie123 has stated that the date of the original post is old. I wanted to post it because of all the crap that is going on down south "right now" to draw the parallel. I should have clarified when originally posted. My apologies.
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