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    Sports The XFL thread

    Figured I'd get this one started. Right now the over/under on number of seasons this league survives is 1.5
    Teams were announced this week:



    Current head coaches include June Jones in Houston, Jim Zorn in Seattle, and Marc Trestman in Tampa Bay.
    Stadiums look like a mashup of whatever was available. Smallest stadium seats 20,000 (Washington DC); largest is New York's Met Life Stadium at 82,500. 4 fields are grass, 4 are turf; One baseball stadium, Global Life Park in Arlington will be converted for football.

    Season is ten games long. Players are paid on a per game basis. There is one designated "franchise player" who earns 25-60 thousand per game. The players salaries break down as follows:
    Franchise Player (1): $25,000-$60,000 ($250,000-$600,000 per year)
    Tier 2 Players (3): $15,000-$17,500 ($150,000-$175,000 per year)
    Tier 3 Players (23): $6,000-$10,000 ($60,000-$100,000 per year)
    Tier 4 Players (18): $5,000-$6,000 ($50,000-$60,000 per year)
    Salaries actually look pretty good.

    There are a number of proposals that the XFL are looking at for rule changes. Perhaps the key one (now confirmed as a rule) is ALL passes behind the line of scrimmage to have the same protocols of a lateral pass. This would allow for an additional pass over the line of scrimmage in any behind the line of scrimmage throw. It would also mean the ball would be live on any incompleted throws behind the line of scrimmage.

    Key changes to the timing of a game to speed things up:
    Other than change of possession, clock will run continuous, except for the last two minutes of a half. Play clock is 25 seconds, but from the end of the play (CFL is 20 seconds, but that is from the spotting of the ball from the official). Things could get crazy and really make substitutions difficult.

    They are also tinkering with some CFL type rules including a five-yard zone on punt returns and defenses lining up one yard off of scrimmage.

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    Re: The XFL thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Key changes to the timing of a game to speed things up:
    Other than change of possession, clock will run continuous, except for the last two minutes of a half. Play clock is 25 seconds, but from the end of the play (CFL is 20 seconds, but that is from the spotting of the ball from the official). Things could get crazy and really make substitutions difficult.
    I'm assuming they will stop the clock for injuries as well? Could make for a lot of in game "injuries"
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    Re: The XFL thread

    This league won't survive even 1 season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    This league won't survive even 1 season.
    Unlike the AAF, it won't be for lack of funding if it doesn't last.

    I don't believe that there is a proven market/fan appetite for spring football. Will be incumbent on them to learn every lesson from why things failed in the past, adjust for it, sell the game in a modern day packaging with technology, betting, etc and have top-shelf broadcasting. That's more likely the recipe for survival more so than success.
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    The XFL, like all of the other spring leagues, have not learned from the past. They can not start out in large markets in big stadiums. They should be looking at smaller under represented markets with 30Kish stadiums. Try and make it the only game in town.

    Think places like in the state of Wyoming for example. They are a good football market, and they do not have any major pro sports teams. If they want to go into Texas think Corpus Christi or Galveston not Houston or Dallas. Boise or Fargo maybe good markets. Once again good football markets, no major pro sports. There are other markets on the East Coast that are in the same boat as well. Think Albany rather than New York City, or South Carolina rather than Florida. If the league catches on, then you can start getting into more larger centers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budha View Post
    The XFL, like all of the other spring leagues, have not learned from the past. They can not start out in large markets in big stadiums. They should be looking at smaller under represented markets with 30Kish stadiums. Try and make it the only game in town.

    Think places like in the state of Wyoming for example. They are a good football market, and they do not have any major pro sports teams. If they want to go into Texas think Corpus Christi or Galveston not Houston or Dallas. Boise or Fargo maybe good markets. Once again good football markets, no major pro sports. There are other markets on the East Coast that are in the same boat as well. Think Albany rather than New York City, or South Carolina rather than Florida. If the league catches on, then you can start getting into more larger centers.
    I agree if the focus is on gate, but in this day and age, it's all about the TV deal, so they likely need at least a couple above average markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    I agree if the focus is on gate, but in this day and age, it's all about the TV deal, so they likely need at least a couple above average markets.
    100% agree. If they're to make it, they'll likely make it based on their success with TV and technology (apps and other revenue generating and engagement streams).

    My theory is that there are fans that love a sport enough to watch almost any form of it, those that need a local tie/rooting interest, and those that will be more casual fans. Hard to imagine that you'll be able to launch a new league with likely very little name recognition of the players, without having some sort of geographic fan base. It can absolutely happen that they get washed out in a larger centre with other options competing for eyeballs, and to me, NY and LA are risks that way, but they'll also need to have some hope to build regional followings, and I think they're on the right track with both Houston and Dallas that way. Maybe it would work, in a Saskatchewan sort of way, to put a team in Montana or Wyoming, but to my thinking, it would be a bit of a hail mary, where you're hoping that lightening strikes and you get an entire state engaged and buying in.

    Any way they go about this, they're going to have to ride out a few years of growing pains and brand building if they hope to ultimately succeed, and it will be a real challenge, even for a brand-savvy organization, to avoid getting defined by their detractors before they can go out and establish their own identity in the market.
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    Re: The XFL thread

    While my love of football is strong...my hatred of Vince McMahon will keep me away from anything XFL related. I'm one of the few that hopes it doesn't even get one game in before folding.
    Well, gentlemen, by all means, I think we ought to have an introspective moment of silence for poor old Tin-Tin.

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    They could go into bigger markets, but play in smaller stadiums. They are playing in a 20k stadium in Washington, they has to be some in the New York and LA area. Don't the Chargers currently play in a smaller stadium?
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    Quote Originally Posted by budha View Post
    They could go into bigger markets, but play in smaller stadiums. They are playing in a 20k stadium in Washington, they has to be some in the New York and LA area. Don't the Chargers currently play in a smaller stadium?
    Yeah, the LA XFL franchise will be playing in the same stadium - used to be Stub Hub Centre - now called Dignity Health Sports Park (seats 27k).
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    Scrimmages are happening in the XFL. Interesting formation for kickoffs. I'm guessing they are attempting to reduce the speed at contact point for kickoffs to prevent injuries.
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    That is interesting...but a lot of the markets they're trying to appeal to are pretty conservative, especially when it comes to their football. Not sure this sort of thing will work here.
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    Re: The XFL thread

    is that a real game? because there's more people on the sidelines than in the stands..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks4ever View Post
    is that a real game? because there's more people on the sidelines than in the stands..
    Just a scrimmage between two teams. Season starts after the Super Bowl.
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    XFL starts today. TSN broadcasting all the games. TSN 3 has both games today and first one tomorrow; TSN 1/3 will have the late afternoon game.

    Schedule here:
    https://www.tsn.ca/xfl-on-tsn-broadc...dule-1.1424519
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    If you don't have TSN, I found a live stream on youtube here:

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    Game is pretty etertaining so far
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    Have to admit, I'm enjoying it. Big plays, close game, exciting. The gimmicks aren't that distracting either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenvb View Post
    Have to admit, I'm enjoying it. Big plays, close game, exciting. The gimmicks aren't that distracting either.
    Yeah, me too. Enjoying it all so far.
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    Well they got pretty good attendance numbers and TV ratings. https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/x...nd-tv-ratings/

    Wonder if this might turn out to be a significant concern to the CFL as we would probably lose some players if the XFL turns out to be successful long term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Well they got pretty good attendance numbers and TV ratings. https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/x...nd-tv-ratings/

    Wonder if this might turn out to be a significant concern to the CFL as we would probably lose some players if the XFL turns out to be successful long term.
    I like having football all year round. Hopefully it won't have too much of an impact on our game.
    Those attendance numbers were (very) gracious. I watched all four games and I think one of them had no more than 10-12 thousand in the stands. They were working on a 20 dollar ticket to launch and it appears as though a lot of those seats were in the endzones.
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    Both the CFL and NFL struggle with QB development. Any league that gets more professional play time for that position specifically, will long term help both leagues. Even the Arena league launched the career of a couple pro QB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Both the CFL and NFL struggle with QB development. Any league that gets more professional play time for that position specifically, will long term help both leagues. Even the Arena league launched the career of a couple pro QB's.
    Football leagues in general don't have enough games to promote development like other leagues. They have way more practice time which is good but with so few game reps and every game having significant impact on playoff aspirations it's hard for guys to get reps with real bullets flying at the most critical position. At least other positions on the field a player may get a few reps as an in-game backup, while still trying to impact the game on special team, but backup QBs almost never get to see the field in a real game making it really tough for a player to refine their game or make an impression.

    More leagues, mean more games to allow someone that opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Well they got pretty good attendance numbers and TV ratings. https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/x...nd-tv-ratings/

    Wonder if this might turn out to be a significant concern to the CFL as we would probably lose some players if the XFL turns out to be successful long term.
    Given last year's AAF experience, the telling attendance stats will be a few weeks from now.
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    I'm unlike a lot of you. I need a break from football. I watch a ton of CFL, NFL and NCAA so it's nice to have that break to watch hockey and baseball starts soon.

    I have no interest in watching XFL at this time.

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    Pretty good crowd in Seattle today; and they are loud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtuck09 View Post
    I'm unlike a lot of you. I need a break from football. I watch a ton of CFL, NFL and NCAA so it's nice to have that break to watch hockey and baseball starts soon.

    I have no interest in watching XFL at this time.
    Its good football, better than a lot of NCAA junk TSN feeds us. Not SEC level, and no explosive O like the Big 12, but I'd compare it to Big 10, Pac 12 level for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Its good football, better than a lot of NCAA junk TSN feeds us. Not SEC level, and no explosive O like the Big 12, but I'd compare it to Big 10, Pac 12 level for sure.
    I just find it hard to get invested in a league that I know won't exist soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I just find it hard to get invested in a league that I know won't exist soon.
    They are much further ahead than the AAF was last year with significantly better TV coverage. If the quality of ball is good, it may make a run for a few seasons. And if any of the players break out big in the NFL after a season or two in XFL, it could give it some real credibility.

    The safe bet is that the league eventually fails, but early signs are better than past similar leagues, so who knows.

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