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    Briscoe back on the roster. Interesting.
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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post
    Briscoe back on the roster. Interesting.
    Third down short yardage QB?...meanwhile thought this article on CFL.ca had some interesting numbers analyzing the Esks redzone efficiency or lack therof...https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/06/fergus...red-zone-woes/
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    Was hoping Hightower would be good to go.


    Would it be impossible for us to have 3 RBs on the game day roster? I see cowtown can do it game in and game out. I'm just tired of the Gable runs up middle where he stops and dances. We need a change of pace at RB off and on IMO. If you cant get cooper on the roster at least give Jones some touches - mix it up

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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    The CFL.ca writers have unanimously picked the Stumps to win. https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/05/predic...week-13-picks/

    Hopefully a different Eskimos team than the one that showed up last week makes an appearance tomorrow. If not then those guys are probably right. We certainly can't say it was bad luck that cost the game in Calgary.

    Is it time for Harris to use some pump fakes? Calgary DBs are after interceptions so maybe they will bite on them.
    https://calgarysun.com/sports/footba...ns-they-missed

    Is our defence so worried about penalties that it is affecting their play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskie54 View Post
    The CFL.ca writers have unanimously picked the Stumps to win.
    Possibly... what is Angelus picking? I'll put more faith in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks4ever View Post
    Was hoping Hightower would be good to go.


    Would it be impossible for us to have 3 RBs on the game day roster? I see cowtown can do it game in and game out. I'm just tired of the Gable runs up middle where he stops and dances. We need a change of pace at RB off and on IMO. If you cant get cooper on the roster at least give Jones some touches - mix it up
    Calgary usually only dresses two import running backs. One of which is Williams who is a return specialist. It's really not much different than what we do with Jones...just Jones gets placed in a receiver spot instead of running back spot.

    I really would like to see more of Cooper...but we seem pretty set with going with a couple of extra dlineman to keep the line fresh and no way should Walton come out of the lineup considering he's our best teamer...
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    Nice little video teaser, looks like the fire truck is BACK!!!!!!

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    I believe that a fire truck is coming back but I doubt that it is the original.

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    Crap, I wish I were still in Edmonton. I would love to be there to have the firetruck back.
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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    Gable rushed for less than 4 yards per carry in both games against Calgary. What are they expecting to magically change in this one?

    Gable is 2nd in rushing through volume alone, his 5.0 yards per carry is one of the lowest ones among regular rbs.

    I don’t get why a 6-5 team that is last in rushing yards per attempt is not trying something different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoopie View Post
    I believe that a fire truck is coming back but I doubt that it is the original.
    The Original is still at every game, however no telling if it's in running condition since it just sits in the Knothole Corner where kids can climb all over it and get pics taken with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskie54 View Post
    The CFL.ca writers have unanimously picked the Stumps to win. https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/05/predic...week-13-picks/

    Hopefully a different Eskimos team than the one that showed up last week makes an appearance tomorrow. If not then those guys are probably right. We certainly can't say it was bad luck that cost the game in Calgary.

    Is it time for Harris to use some pump fakes? Calgary DBs are after interceptions so maybe they will bite on them.
    https://calgarysun.com/sports/footba...ns-they-missed

    Is our defence so worried about penalties that it is affecting their play?
    Then there's the TSN guys take...https://www.tsn.ca/march-to-the-play...ders-1.1361563
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    Step one: Target Greg Ellingson more than 4 times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    Love how they are saying 0-4 against Calgary, Winnipeg and Saskatchewan omitting the fact they haven't even played Saskatchewan yet. CFL/TSN will take any opportunity into a moment to pump Saskatchewan's tires won't they.

    Saskatchewan is only 1-1 vs. Calgary, Winnipeg and Edmonton and that victory was a last second squeaker against a team minus their starting QB and the leagues best Running Back and their loss was a bigger blowout than any of the Esks losses against a QB in his first ever start.

    Yet all week, all we've been seeing is how they are favorites to win the Grey Cup. If someone wants to chime in that they've also beat Hamilton. Well that was the first game that Evans ever started (and it was close). Their win against Montreal was also circumstantial with a premature game end plus they were also missing their best QB in that game.

    Certainly, Saskatchewan has been better than I expected, but they still haven't convinced me that they are the team to beat. Certainly, they've been one of the luckier teams this year only once facing the starting QB on a team currently in the playoffs.
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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    Love how they are saying 0-4 against Calgary, Winnipeg and Saskatchewan omitting the fact they haven't even played Saskatchewan yet. CFL/TSN will take any opportunity into a moment to pump Saskatchewan's tires won't they.

    Saskatchewan is only 1-1 vs. Calgary, Winnipeg and Edmonton and that victory was a last second squeaker against a team minus their starting QB and the leagues best Running Back and their loss was a bigger blowout than any of the Esks losses. Yet all week, all we've been seeing is how they are favorites to win the Grey Cup.
    For what it’s worth, I believe that the Riders are definitely among the Grey Cup favourites. They have a good defence, good special teams, and Fajardo has turned them into a legitimate offence.

    For me, it’s the Bombers, Riders, and Stamps (still not sold on Evans in Hammy yet) and that’s assuming that Harris continues to be dominant now that he got caught cheating.

    They’ve played who the schedule has made them played and yes, there is no doubt they have caught some breaks this year.

    Now I need a shower for saying nice things about the riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-BONE View Post
    For what it’s worth, I believe that the Riders are definitely among the Grey Cup favourites. They have a good defence, good special teams, and Fajardo has turned them into a legitimate offence.

    For me, it’s the Bombers, Riders, and Stamps (still not sold on Evans in Hammy yet) and that’s assuming that Harris continues to be dominant now that he got caught cheating.

    They’ve played who the schedule has made them played and yes, there is no doubt they have caught some breaks this year.

    Now I need a shower for saying nice things about the riders.
    100% percent they deserve credit for winning the games they've been given, but it's pretty crazy that they've only once played against the starting QB on a team currently in the playoffs and that was in Game 1 of the season. If Adams gets injured tonight against BC, I'll start thinking they are some weird team of destiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stamphater View Post
    Step one: Target Greg Ellingson more than 4 times.
    more than 4 yards down field

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    Keys to having a chance at winning.

    1. Realize that Adjei is at best #4 on your depth chart. If you find that you are targeting him significantly more than Daniels, Ellingston and Collins, you need to adjust your thinking.
    2. When running the ball, Gable needs to STOP doing his little dance step behind the line. Get the freaking call and run FORWARD. You aren't a scat back or a speedster. You are a power back. Run straight at the holes, get what you can, drag some guys. You aren't going to make too many people miss with speed, fancy footwork or moves.
    3. Harris needs to realize that while getting the ball out quick is great and all. It's OK to wait a second to allow a play to actually play out. It's OK to step up in the pocket once in a while. It's OK to throw the ball longer than 3 yards.
    4. When you are second and long and if coming to the line your first thought is "I need to get the ball out quick and throw it to my short check down guy. Stop, reset your thoughts and realize that the chances of your receiver beating 3 or 4 to get a first down is not good.
    5. When in the red zone, call plays to attack the defense, not to protect the ball and just get some points. I believe the play calling in the red zone is too conservative. I don't know if that's all on who's ever calling the plays or on Harris for playing it safe. Winning teams attack the opposition and take risks at times, losing teams play it safe.
    6. No one gives a damn about what your completion percentage is Harris or how many yards you put up between the 20's Mr. Maas, if you don't score TD's you lose games.
    7. This one I will take heat for. Harris needs to grow a set. There are times in the game when the QB needs to stand in there and take a hit to make a play. I don't mean like Reilly and get beat on, but stand in there that extra second or 2 knowing you will get hit but the result is a big play. I believe that part of the MO that Harris has of getting rid of the ball quickly is so he doesn't get hit. Too often IMO he is throwing the ball out quickly just to get rid of it rather than take the time to survey the field and pick the right receiver to throw too. He defers way to often IMO to the most convenient, quick receiver. Teams are now letting the Esks throw that 3-4 yard pass and daring the receiver to try and beat 2 or 3 guys to get a first down. Go down the field more. By going down the field, I don't mean long bomb, I mean those 10-15 yard throws. To get those throws, they take an extra second and that might mean that Harris has to take a hit once in awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    Keys to having a chance at winning.

    1. Realize that Adjei is at best #4 on your depth chart. If you find that you are targeting him significantly more than Daniels, Ellingston and Collins, you need to adjust your thinking.
    2. When running the ball, Gable needs to STOP doing his little dance step behind the line. Get the freaking call and run FORWARD. You aren't a scat back or a speedster. You are a power back.
    3. Harris needs to realize that while getting the ball out quick is great and all. It's OK to wait a second to allow a play to actually play out. It's OK to step up in the pocket once in a while. It's OK to throw the ball longer than 3 yards.
    4. When you are second and long and if coming to the line your first thought is "I need to get the ball out quick and throw it to my short check down guy. Stop, reset your thoughts and realize that the chances of your receiver beating 3 or 4 to get a first down is not good.
    Next series in the red zone, I'd like them to roll out Harris and if he doesn't like what he sees, run for whatever. Even if he doesn't score, it may chance the coverage opening something up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    Keys to having a chance at winning.

    1. Realize that Adjei is at best #4 on your depth chart. If you find that you are targeting him significantly more than Daniels, Ellingston and Collins, you need to adjust your thinking.
    2. When running the ball, Gable needs to STOP doing his little dance step behind the line. Get the freaking call and run FORWARD. You aren't a scat back or a speedster. You are a power back. Run straight at the holes, get what you can, drag some guys. You aren't going to make too many people miss with speed, fancy footwork or moves.
    3. Harris needs to realize that while getting the ball out quick is great and all. It's OK to wait a second to allow a play to actually play out. It's OK to step up in the pocket once in a while. It's OK to throw the ball longer than 3 yards.
    4. When you are second and long and if coming to the line your first thought is "I need to get the ball out quick and throw it to my short check down guy. Stop, reset your thoughts and realize that the chances of your receiver beating 3 or 4 to get a first down is not good.
    5. When in the red zone, call plays to attack the defense, not to protect the ball and just get some points. I believe the play calling in the red zone is too conservative. I don't know if that's all on who's ever calling the plays or on Harris for playing it safe. Winning teams attack the opposition and take risks at times, losing teams play it safe.
    6. No one gives a damn about what your completion percentage is Harris or how many yards you put up between the 20's Mr. Maas, if you don't score TD's you lose games.
    7. This one I will take heat for. Harris needs to grow a set. There are times in the game when the QB needs to stand in there and take a hit to make a play. I don't mean like Reilly and get beat on, but stand in there that extra second or 2 knowing you will get hit but the result is a big play. I believe that part of the MO that Harris has of getting rid of the ball quickly is so he doesn't get hit. Too often IMO he is throwing the ball out quickly just to get rid of it rather than take the time to survey the field and pick the right receiver to throw too. He defers way to often IMO to the most convenient, quick receiver. Teams are now letting the Esks throw that 3-4 yard pass and daring the receiver to try and beat 2 or 3 guys to get a first down. Go down the field more. But going down the field, I don't mean long bomb, I mean those 10-15 yard throws. To get those throws, they take an extra second and that might mean that Harris has to take a hit once in awhile.
    None of this will matter if the D can't stop the run.

    Setting the edge and discipline LB play are #1 and #2 so they can get the Stamps into 2nd and long and get after Bo in the pocket. They were horrendous against the run against Winnipeg as well for similar reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    Next series in the red zone, I'd like them to roll out Harris and if he doesn't like what he sees, run for whatever. Even if he doesn't score, it may chance the coverage opening something up.
    Exactly!!

    What pisses me off is they are first and goal on say the 12. Do they throw it into the endzone? Hell no. Let's dump it over the line to Adjei or Gable and hope like hell that one of them can bet 4 guys to the end zone. Guess what, it doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDO View Post
    None of this will matter if the D can't stop the run.

    Setting the edge and discipline LB play are #1 and #2 so they can get the Stamps into 2nd and long and get after Bo in the pocket. They were horrendous against the run against Winnipeg as well for similar reasons.
    You are right there. I didn't mention the defense because I have more confidence that the defense can figure it out than the offense. I think part of the problem the defense has had with the run is they are SO aggressive with all the blitzes and trying to get to the QB, teams are taking advantage of that. I think that is an adjustment they can make. The problem with the offense and especially with scoring TD's has been an issue for most of the year and IMO, part of is the style of QB that Harris is. He likes the short throws, puts up great completion numbers but is conservative. I think the Redblack last year kicked a lot of field goals as well. I seem to remember their kicker having a lot of field goals and some insane streak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    You are right there. I didn't mention the defense because I have more confidence that the defense can figure it out than the offense. I think part of the problem the defense has had with the run is they are SO aggressive with all the blitzes and trying to get to the QB, teams are taking advantage of that. I think that is an adjustment they can make. The problem with the offense and especially with scoring TD's has been an issue for most of the year and IMO, part of is the style of QB that Harris is. He likes the short throws, puts up great completion numbers but is conservative. I think the Redblack last year kicked a lot of field goals as well. I seem to remember their kicker having a lot of field goals and some insane streak.
    I think that's fair, but this is definitely an offense much better suited to play with a lead than from behind (ball control, get points, etc). Obviously that's not good enough given the resources they're spending on offense, but it's been pretty similar so far this year. If/when they get a lead, they've salted games away pretty easily, and when they're chasing games it gets ugly because the D is better against the pass and the O is better milking the clock.

    Hopefully the OL is a bit better after a week together; it's been a rare occurrence we have run out the same OL two weeks in a row. Gable has to stop the dancing act between the tackles, he's not LeVeon Bell.
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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by stamphater View Post
    Calgary usually only dresses two import running backs. One of which is Williams who is a return specialist. It's really not much different than what we do with Jones...just Jones gets placed in a receiver spot instead of running back spot...
    Calgary would go two plays of Reynolds and then one with Cornish and that worked great as much as I hate to admit that.
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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    and especially with how harris likes his passes to the flat...does dumping it off to cooper not sound good?....like....lets try it.

    looks like MTL has Stanback and Jeremiah Johnson in tonight also? working wonders

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    Quote Originally Posted by boydo View Post
    Calgary would go two plays of Reynolds and then one with Cornish and that worked great as much as I hate to admit that.
    It did...back in the day it worked especially well because Cornish was a canadian and didn't have to deal with ratio issues.
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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    Predictions:

    Esks tank ... no
    Esks lose squeaker ... probably
    Esks win squeaker ... maybe
    Esks blow out Stamps ... never give up your dreams

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    Re: Eskimos vs. Stumps - The Rematch

    Harris is a lot more like Ricky Ray than he is like Mike Reilly, so if we are waiting for him to stand back there and chuck bombs all night, we may be waiting awhile. Its easy to say just throw it down the field a little further but if the defence is taking that stuff away, which they can, it can become very tough to do. For me it all comes down to execution and compete, consistently beat the player in front of you and we'll win the game, which isn't something that we've been doing.
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