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    Something had to be done, I likes the guy but TSN and the League didn’t. We weren’t going anywhere with those obstacles.
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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    I said it in another thread, the Esks made a mistake. Brock's roster wasn't good enough. It wouldn't have matter who was the coach. The Ticats beat the hell out of the Esks not because of Maas, because their roster was superior to the Esks. Then the Bombers beat the hell out of the Ticats. Brock fired Maas because he wasn't his coach and it deflects the blame on to Maas when it should be on Brock.
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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    Well this will be a hot topic. Let the games begin. *grabs the popcorn*

    I am very mixed about this. I guess time will tell.

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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudnyereye View Post
    Well this will be a hot topic. Let the games begin. *grabs the popcorn*

    I am very mixed about this. I guess time will tell.

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    I'm very mixed on this one too I agree it's a results driven job and we hadn't gotten the results we wanted over the last 4 years but I also agree with Q that last year he wasn't given the groceries to make a good enough meal.
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    If the Esks do better this year, it's not going to have anything to do with the head coach. It will be because Brock woke the hell up, did his freaking job and realized his secondary sucked for 2 years in a row. It doesn't matter who the head coach is, who the DC is and what system you run, if the DB's can't cover a receiver you can't win games. The Esks offense will sputter along and struggle in the end zone until they get a big play receiver who can get open and make a bloody play. Defenses will let you dink and dunk all you want between the 25's while they play zone. So Harris with his quick, short throws will rack up the completions, the percentage and the yards and Ellingston will get his catches and yards. But as soon as you get inside the 25 and the defense stops giving the receiver a 6 yard cushion and starts playing tighter coverage, a receiver actually has to get OPEN. Sometimes, a receiver actually has to make a catch in coverage.

    I knew it was coming but I am not impressed.
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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    Campbell's going to BC.
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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    I wish him well. But he did have a good enough roster to do better.

    Too many boneheaded decisions. Too many tantrums. Too many games where the team didn't show up until the second half.

    He had 4 years. That's a good enough look.
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    Watch Campbell and Maas both end up being in BC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sectionq View Post
    I said it in another thread, the Esks made a mistake. Brock's roster wasn't good enough. It wouldn't have matter who was the coach. The Ticats beat the hell out of the Esks not because of Maas, because their roster was superior to the Esks. Then the Bombers beat the hell out of the Ticats. Brock fired Maas because he wasn't his coach and it deflects the blame on to Maas when it should be on Brock.
    Totally agree, Brock is the problem. He has been the invisible man since arriving in Edmonton. His roster sucked.

    Maas was a smart coach, he didn’t have the players to get the job done.

    Maas also had the media and TSN working against him, not to mention the CFL and its officials. The deck was stacked against him.

    And with all of this there was negative public perception directed at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I wish him well. But he did have a good enough roster to do better.

    Too many boneheaded decisions. Too many tantrums. Too many games where the team didn't show up until the second half.

    He had 4 years. That's a good enough look.
    Maas wasn’t the reason defenders couldn’t defend against the pass.

    I had tantrums too watching CFL officiating at it’s finest once again. And to defend Maas, I thought he was way more controlled this year. He appeared calm most games.
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    Cannot hide my disappointment over this...

    Love this team .. but this is the wrong move.. I’m gutted

    Thank you coach

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    One of the best offensive minds in the game but too many deficiencies in other areas. The team got worse each year. He still had too much of a players mindset as coach. If he learns from mistakes he made here he will be a better hc the next chance he gets.

    As for the league and tsn no liking him? F'ck those guys. They have the gall to give henry burris a job after his whiny tantrum about tsn and broadcasters his last year i the league.

    As for who is up next? I am thinking Noel Thorpe. Lapolice is in my do not want list.

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    Fans list how he's been here for 4 years and hasn't taken the team anywhere, some say the team has gotten worse. If you are being honest, go look at the rosters over the last few years and every year under Brock they have gotten worse, not better. Diesel raised the point a few days ago. Go look at all the Americans Brock has signed over the years. He's done OK for the most part on signing free agents from other teams. Everyone said he did so well this offseason, well all of the guys he signed were really good players, some all stars from other teams. So he knew what he was getting. Where are the impact starters no one heard from before that make no money? Those guys are the life blood of CFL teams. There are very few.
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    Fast Forward one year from now and Brock will be gone. Bank it. Cannot see any of the retread HC's doing any better with the roster we got (and salarys) and besides this years anomaly, first year HC's in the CFL don't fare too well.

    I wish JM the best. I'm thankful for being able to witness his O in person for 4 years. I hope he was treated well enough to consider coming back to us when Brock is gone, he's young and many many more years of coaching ahead of him.

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    Anyone know the contract status of assistants? Are we truly starting from 0 again in 2020?

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    Wowow check out all the players reactions to the news on instagram.
    That is pretty telling about how the locker room felt.
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    Gutted.

    I don’t think I’m gonna be renewing my season tickets now.

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    I just came to see if there was news Campbell was going to Edmonton, that would be a cool CFL story.


    Is there a source for Campbell going to BC or is that a prediction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Fast Forward one year from now and Brock will be gone. Bank it. Cannot see any of the retread HC's doing any better with the roster we got (and salarys) and besides this years anomaly, first year HC's in the CFL don't fare too well.

    I wish JM the best. I'm thankful for being able to witness his O in person for 4 years. I hope he was treated well enough to consider coming back to us when Brock is gone, he's young and many many more years of coaching ahead of him.

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    Anyone know the contract status of assistants? Are we truly starting from 0 again in 2020?

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    Wowow check out all the players reactions to the news on instagram.
    That is pretty telling about how the locker room felt.
    Regarding the asst. coaches. Was wondering if consideration will be given to any to take over as HC here. Gibson, Miles, Lolley, Tucker, Maxie ? Might appease the upset players somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I wish him well. But he did have a good enough roster to do better.

    Too many boneheaded decisions. Too many tantrums. Too many games where the team didn't show up until the second half.

    He had 4 years. That's a good enough look.
    The players loved him, but the penalty trouble and seemingly divided locker rooms persisted throughout his tenure.

    I also never got the feeling the offence was the sum of its parts. Too often in the past, they'd abandon the run game when it was helping to spread the field and too often the passing calls were predictable. For an offensive specialist, it just didn't seem to get the job done - and the red zone troubles at times this year underscored that. Adding on the comments about not game planning for opponents likely added to Sunderland's opinion it was time to move on.

    Beyond that, defensively, I think he relied on Benevides' outdated defence for too long and I know many fans weren't happy with special teams results in a league that's driven by them a lot of nights.

    I just think it was time.

    Beyond that, though, I can understand some of the counter current here. Both Hervey and Sunderland have neglected the secondary since the Grey Cup year. Logan Kilgore is a decent quarterback, but he wasn't in a position to take over. (Mind you, the Esks were prepared for an injury to Reilly last year and Glenn never saw a down - so maybe that one wasn't all on Sunderland). The roster construction and IR manipulation might have stalled chemistry. Management has some work to do on these issues moving forward.

    I'd like to see how Sunderland and Maas' successor work to identify those areas of need and develop a team culture here. It'll also be interesting to see coaching appointments and their effect on the locker room. We know that some of the key defensive additions this past year were Lolley's requests. We also know that Harris and others have been vocal about their support for Maas. The new staff will have some work in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I wish him well. But he did have a good enough roster to do better.

    Too many boneheaded decisions. Too many tantrums. Too many games where the team didn't show up until the second half.

    He had 4 years. That's a good enough look.
    O’Shea just won a Grey Cup in his fifth year after four very similar years in Winnipeg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben_the_eskimo View Post
    O’Shea just won a Grey Cup in his fifth year after four very similar years in Winnipeg.
    Yup

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Fast Forward one year from now and Brock will be gone. Bank it. Cannot see any of the retread HC's doing any better with the roster we got (and salarys) and besides this years anomaly, first year HC's in the CFL don't fare too well.

    I wish JM the best. I'm thankful for being able to witness his O in person for 4 years. I hope he was treated well enough to consider coming back to us when Brock is gone, he's young and many many more years of coaching ahead of him.

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    Anyone know the contract status of assistants? Are we truly starting from 0 again in 2020?

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    Wowow check out all the players reactions to the news on instagram.
    That is pretty telling about how the locker room felt.
    Assistant coaches are usually on 1-yr contracts so, yes, essentially starting from scratch unless the new head coach wants to keep any of the old staff.

    Not surprised by the players’ social media reaction. They LOVE him.....and he has their respect & keeps them accountable without being their buddy.

    Quote Originally Posted by newton View Post
    I just came to see if there was news Campbell was going to Edmonton, that would be a cool CFL story.


    Is there a source for Campbell going to BC or is that a prediction?
    Farhan spouting things on TSN Radio in Van. I think he’s wrong.....and not just because Jason was released today.

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    If Campbell was the favourite .. he won’t be now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmbuk View Post
    Yup
    The difference was that Bombers generally improved year over year, never had to rely on a crossover and actually had a home playoff game. The only year they didn't improve in the standings dropping to 10-8 from 12-6, they were still at least over .500 despite starting the year without their first stringer and employing a raw rookie as QB and they won a playoff game at the end of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    The difference was that Bombers generally improved year over year, never had to rely on a crossover and actually had a home playoff game.
    Take into the account the job Kyle Walters has done though.

    They picked up Maston and Nick Taylor whom we let go. Saw them perform well on their D.

    Honestly feel I don't see very many gems on first year contracts developing on the PR all that much. Like who is an up and coming WR? We had a couple and they're all gone now. Shuler was a bust, posting play calls on instagram etc etc etc. Not enough scouting which u need to survive in a short term maximize their small contract with talent league. Torrance Gibson? Bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maas_12 View Post
    Take into the account the job Kyle Walters has done though.

    They picked up Maston and Nick Taylor whom we let go. Saw them perform well on their D.

    Honestly feel I don't see very many gems on first year contracts developing on the PR all that much. Like who is an up and coming WR? We had a couple and they're all gone now. Shuler was a bust, posting play calls on instagram etc etc etc. Not enough scouting which u need to survive in a short term maximize their small contract with talent league. Torrance Gibson? Bust.
    Walters also replace two all star Cdn. Olinemen. Desjarlais was a real find this year at LG . Made some good blocks on Wynn in the Cup allowing Harris to get past the LOS. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben_the_eskimo View Post
    O’Shea just won a Grey Cup in his fifth year after four very similar years in Winnipeg.
    So, no matter what, if a team regresses year over year for 4 years you should keep the coach because, what? O'Shea?

    Nope. No. Nah.
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    I would have given Maas one more year but I guess Brock was feeling the pressure and as a result had to make the move for his own self preservation. Heat is definitely on him now (and rightly so as while he has done well in FA and the draft his record as far as recruiting cheap NI talent has been sorely lacking). Does this move buy him 1 more year or 2? If only 1 then he is sure taking a risk that a new HC/coaching staff will get things in order fast and make it to the GC game next year (since we made it to a division final a Grey Cup appearance would be the only way we would be demonstrating an improvement over last year IMO). Am also wondering if the salary cap on coaches salaries hamstrings us as far as hiring a new staff is concerned.

    I really feel bad for Maas as the guy bleed green and gold. If he wants a HCing job I would assume that he would be a strong candidate in both BC and Ottawa. Does he have term left on his current contract with the Esks? If so then this would probably dissuade him from taking a coordinator position next season similar to Claybrooks out in BC or would I be wrong about that?
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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I wish him well. But he did have a good enough roster to do better.

    Too many boneheaded decisions. Too many tantrums. Too many games where the team didn't show up until the second half.

    He had 4 years. That's a good enough look.
    This. Exactly this.

    Some people (haven't read the whole thread yet) might try to make parallels to O'Shea in Winnipeg. The major difference there is that MOS kept trending upwards after a rough start. Maas only regressed since 2017 onward.
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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    i would like to echo what others have said here.

    i would not have fired Maas, Brock should be concerned that the medicore rosters and zero college recruiting from the US will come back to be evaluated under his tenure in one year and he will be out of a job after using Maas as a meat shield this season. i would far prefer Campbell over anybody else being mentioned, providing he has a good coaching staff.

    all our linebackers are free agents this year. that will be a challenge. plus all our db's are average or below average so that is a big problem too.

    interesting how well Taylor and Maston played for Winnipeg. I was no fan of either, especially Maston. i will admit they looked good for Winnipeg. Taylor was an interesting player. Based on 40 yard run times he may have been the esks fastest player. He played point guard in college and only started playing football later in life, was very raw in Ottawa and here, and it showed. I guess after enough reps he learned how to be a good db just in time to help Winnipeg win the grey cup. Hopefully we arent saying that about Maas as a head coach in BC in one year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adb View Post
    I would have given Maas one more year but I guess Brock was feeling the pressure and as a result had to make the move for his own self preservation. Heat is definitely on him now (and rightly so as while he has done well in FA and the draft his record as far as recruiting cheap NI talent has been sorely lacking). Does this move buy him 1 more year or 2? If only 1 then he is sure taking a risk that a new HC/coaching staff will get things in order fast and make it to the GC game next year.

    I really feel bad for Maas as the guy bleed green and gold. If he wants a HCing job I would assume that he would be a strong candidate in both BC and Ottawa. Does he have term left on his current contract with the Esks? If so then this would probably dissuade him from taking a coordinator position next season similar to Claybrooks out in BC or would I be wrong about that?
    Brock pulled the trigger on Maas because it was easy to do. There were built in excuses of lack of discipline and the opinion of some that the Esks were a really talented team with a Head Coach holding them back. Which isn't true.
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    Re: Maas gone......bring on Campbell

    I think this was the correct decision, provided they hire the right coach. Maas is a great offensive mind but there were a few issues that doomed him.

    1) His loyalty to Mike Benevides for 3 seasons
    2) The second half collapses the last two seasons. In 2018 it was a combination of turnovers, inability to handle extra rushers when teams blitzed. This year it was red zone. Even before Harris went out, we couldn’t convert in the red zone. And most of it was scheme. I didn’t see Harris missing wide open receivers in the end zone. Too many plays designed for people like Adjei, Collins, etc. Those guys aren’t going to win one on one battles.
    3) Penalties: He couldn’t get a handle on it for 4 years.
    4) Special teams: It’s been a complete joke for years. And it’s inexcusable.

    Whatever coach the Eskimos hire (and they should have one lined up if they were willing to part with Maas), I’d make retaining some of the current staff a priority. Gibson, Tucker, Lolley, Maxie are all guys who should be kept around.

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