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    Re: Around the CFL - 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by stamphater View Post
    Ambroise has been an awful commissioner. It's a tough time but the guy just makes the wrong moves over...and over...and over again. I really had high hopes for him....
    me too, but holy hell hes been pure garbage

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    I miss Cohon...
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    Re: Around the CFL - 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by stamphater View Post
    Ambroise has been an awful commissioner. It's a tough time but the guy just makes the wrong moves over...and over...and over again. I really had high hopes for him....
    No disagreement here. He comes across as aloof when I watch him speak.

    And how he's handled everything has been nothing short of atrocious.

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    It surprises me and I have known him since 82-83 he is a very nice personable and smart guy. When he became Commish I figured here was a guy who will work with players and Owners. Maybe he is just in over his head or being controlled by the Owners or TSN.
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    Re: Around the CFL - 2020

    Wanted to share this, had Natey Adjei on a recent episode of The Brad And Avry Hour. An interesting look at how Natey has started getting more into the media side of things and how he's trying to prepare for a season if we have one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by danlaurin View Post
    It surprises me and I have known him since 82-83 he is a very nice personable and smart guy. When he became Commish I figured here was a guy who will work with players and Owners. Maybe he is just in over his head or being controlled by the Owners or TSN.
    Some of that comes with the turf of being Commissioner of a pro league. Contrary to popular belief in some circles a Commissioner is not some form of dictator who has unfettered reign to run everything the way he sees fit. He is employed by the owners and reports to them, not the other way around. That in itself can be a challenge. In that regard Ambrosie might have it easier in that he only has to herd 9 cat-bosses instead of 30 to 32.

    As for TSN in this case I can't imagine them getting in the way. Obviously they will want to be involved in any discussions regarding a season as they will be tasked with fitting telecasts in amongst the other broadcast commitments they already have. That aside I'd think they would be doing everything they can to help the CFL get a season off the ground, not hinder it. The CFL and TSN though will have to work in unison on a schedule and will have to do so on extremely short notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer24 View Post
    Some of that comes with the turf of being Commissioner of a pro league. Contrary to popular belief in some circles a Commissioner is not some form of dictator who has unfettered reign to run everything the way he sees fit. He is employed by the owners and reports to them, not the other way around. That in itself can be a challenge. In that regard Ambrosie might have it easier in that he only has to herd 9 cat-bosses instead of 30 to 32.
    Agreed. The Commissioner's job isn't to appease the players, its to represent the interests of the owners. NHL players have hated Bettman for 30 years now, but he continues to have a job. Why, because the owners love him. He makes them the maximum amount of money. When you look at things in that light, I bet the owners are quite happy with Ambroise. He's taking all the blame for everything from everybody while doing the dirty work for owners to maximize their profits (or in this years case, minimize their losses).
    Is it game day yet?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeqEEla View Post
    Agreed. The Commissioner's job isn't to appease the players, its to represent the interests of the owners. NHL players have hated Bettman for 30 years now, but he continues to have a job. Why, because the owners love him. He makes them the maximum amount of money. When you look at things in that light, I bet the owners are quite happy with Ambroise. He's taking all the blame for everything from everybody while doing the dirty work for owners to maximize their profits (or in this years case, minimize their losses).
    Maybe they won't admit it but a lot of players likely have a begrudging respect for Bettman. He helps make the owners maximize revenues but at the same time the NHL salary cap is tied to hockey related revenues. The cap has more than doubled since the 2004-2005 season that was lost to the labour dispute. As much as the players may dislike the hardline bargaining from the league one has to wonder where they would be if the NHL left things to operate as they were prior to that. I suspect they would not be making the sort of money they do today.

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    I'm a big fan of Rod's. I love having someone behind the desk with such a passion for football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esks4ever View Post
    me too, but holy hell hes been pure garbage
    He's kind of turning out to be the MacTavish of league commissioners. Takes over from a complete idiot and comes in with lots of verbal bluster, attempts lots of bold moves, lots of speaking about needs before recognizing that verbalizing them actually weakens his position. All ending in the same result, the organization he's leading is in worse shape than when he took over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer24 View Post
    Maybe they won't admit it but a lot of players likely have a begrudging respect for Bettman. He helps make the owners maximize revenues but at the same time the NHL salary cap is tied to hockey related revenues. The cap has more than doubled since the 2004-2005 season that was lost to the labour dispute. As much as the players may dislike the hardline bargaining from the league one has to wonder where they would be if the NHL left things to operate as they were prior to that. I suspect they would not be making the sort of money they do today.
    Certainly they do. The league growth that has occured under his watch has made them tons of money.

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    Hate to say it, but I think the league has known for a while that there won't be a 2020 season. They just don't want to tell the PA and deal with the fallout if there is potential for some of the elite CFLers to get to NFL camps (of course that would be assuming the NFL has a season).
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    There won’t be an NFL season either. Just too many moving pieces to keep them all COVID-free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boydo View Post
    There won’t be an NFL season either. Just too many moving pieces to keep them all COVID-free.
    don't underestimate the greed of old white guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by stamphater View Post
    Ambroise has been an awful commissioner. It's a tough time but the guy just makes the wrong moves over...and over...and over again. I really had high hopes for him....
    To his credit he did seem to reduce offensive holding calls as he promised he would. Global vacation was a good scam. It is an insult to CFL fans to pay him the wages he is earning. Six regular posters of this form would do just as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdar View Post
    don't underestimate the greed of old white guys
    It's the very basis of the u.s. "value" system.
    In hindsight the CFL players who could have "jumped" to the NFL will be thankfull for being excluded from an almost guaranteed disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boydo View Post
    There won’t be an NFL season either. Just too many moving pieces to keep them all COVID-free.
    Oh, there will be. I just don't know if they finish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdar View Post
    don't underestimate the greed of old white guys
    Just white guys are greedy? Or do you just mean Jerry Jones, who thinks that he's having full stands?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post


    Hate to say it, but I think the league has known for a while that there won't be a 2020 season. They just don't want to tell the PA and deal with the fallout if there is potential for some of the elite CFLers to get to NFL camps (of course that would be assuming the NFL has a season).
    Really though how many might actually benefit if they were free to go? In recent years the NFL has proven to have little to no interest in CFL veterans once they get up around 28. The guys that did get deals in the past couple of years are almost all in the 25 to 27 range. NFL teams are now starting training camps with their 90+ players. Many CFL players who might think they could catch on now were unable to catch on back in January and February when NFL teams were just starting their offseason personnel efforts. With there being a very good possibility of the NFL going straight to regular season action without preseason games they have bigger fish to fry than to start negotiating with their own PA as well as the CFL to pave the way for at most a handful of CFL players to push someone else they have recruited and already invested time in from the last spot or two on their TC roster. We do know that the NFLPA was against the idea of re-invoking the option year clause with some of the strings the CFL wanted attached. For CFL players unfortunately things will remain same as normal. If they wanted to go south they should have earned a deal back in January or wait again until next January.
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    Re: Around the CFL - 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    Oh, there will be. I just don't know if they finish it.

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    Just white guys are greedy? Or do you just mean Jerry Jones, who thinks that he's having full stands?
    I meant Jerry Jones yeah they're all greedy I think most of the nfl owners are white, I know Jacksonville is Khan who isn't white but I'm sure he's a greedy prick too
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdar View Post
    I meant Jerry Jones yeah they're all greedy I think most of the nfl owners are white, I know Jacksonville is Khan who isn't white but I'm sure he's a greedy prick too
    Oh, he is! I just hate the singling out of any skin color. I know white-bashing is in vogue right now, but 75% of ALL people are bad, in my view. Greed? Makes me think of Saudi Arabia! Or the Communist Party of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    Oh, he is! I just hate the singling out of any skin color. I know white-bashing is in vogue right now, but 75% of ALL people are bad, in my view. Greed? Makes me think of Saudi Arabia! Or the Communist Party of China.
    well I'm white and old but I said white cause I believe 30 of the owners in the NFL are old white guys. Depends on your definition of old though.
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    Hope, at the end of the day connects us all, no matter how different we are

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    Just put a bullet in 2020 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdar View Post
    well I'm white and old but I said white cause I believe 30 of the owners in the NFL are old white guys. Depends on your definition of old though.
    98% of people are bad in my view that's why I prefer dogs and cats.
    I guess I'm an optimist. I also prefer cats and dogs.

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    Time to create a survival plan for 2021.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post


    Time to create a survival plan for 2021.
    Should have changed their name to Bombardier or Air Canada then the money would have started flowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugoagogo View Post


    Time to create a survival plan for 2021.
    Yup, season will likely be cancelled by the BOG tomorrow. From what I read though, the feds seem still to be interested in loaning money to keep the league afloat --- just not to stage a shortened season. I can understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenvb View Post
    Yup, season will likely be cancelled by the BOG tomorrow. From what I read though, the feds seem still to be interested in loaning money to keep the league afloat --- just not to stage a shortened season. I can understand that.
    Yup. The league surviving is what's important. And if they now have a year then maybe they should look at a better business model....and a better commissioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigerdar View Post
    Should have changed their name to Bombardier or Air Canada then the money would have started flowing.
    Or filed the request as Ligue Canadienne de Football

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    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    Or filed the request as Ligue Canadienne de Football
    I think the feds will give them money, just not for a shortened season that may not get finished. They'll give them money to stay afloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
    I think the feds will give them money, just not for a shortened season that may not get finished. They'll give them money to stay afloat.
    Hopefully. The shortened season always seemed like a pipe dream with the limited resources the CFL has. Just think of the costs for testing alone! Let alone making it worthwhile for the players with such small salaries.

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